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Sir T.B.

Hmmm, that's v. strange that the penelope site should react like that, not of heard of before but the webmaster can be a bit uptight sometimes, try this link hopefully you can then enter !!!! Norwikian 04:09, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I've just now checked the link on the Sir T.B. page at the wiki and at my user page and they seem fine . Please let me know if you continue to have probs.Am always interested in those with a genuine interest in the Norwich physician and philosopher, or was your enquiry purely to check source ??Norwikian 04:12, 13 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Good! That is the general idea of now seven years researching and writing, to make others curious, I can do no more. Sir T.B. is on the world-stage in the history of ideas and in world. lit. but somehow with the march of progress, reduced literacy and misapprehended 'correctedness' he has been maligned and neglected for the past fifty-odd years. Best short essay remains Peter Green's 1959 Writers and their work , Longmans and sons. Hard to get tho'. Frank Huntley discerned some interesting points in '62 , but I believe I'm the first to apply Jungian lit. crit. to Browne. My essay 'Scintillae Marginilia' at the levity website is the bones of seven years interpretation without prejudice of Browne's esoteric inclinations. Curiously I've found that Sir T.B. (as Coleridge first called him) has the protean facility of almost whatever you are interested in, having wrote something interesting about it; the Encyclopaedia 'Pseudodoxia' has rich pickings if you trawl through it, but even the three minor Latin bits and the piece 'On Dreams' are indicative of a superb lit. craftsman, humourous and stoical at turns, a true Janus standing between the ancient and moden era.Norwikian 10:48, 14 Jan 2004 (UTC) Let me know if your curiousity waxes!!

I took the liberty of shifting my communications to you to the proper space, there's just one misplaced statement (not mine) left there now. Please note I have now listed all Sir T.B. articles to correct source which is British Museum Sloane MS no. 1827. Cannot understand why bother with other inferior websites duplication of Browne text , THE website which serves him best is the University of Chicago penelope site. Am always disconcerted when i hear of those who cannot acces this site ! Let me know if you can yet!! Your Futurist manifesto is great !!Norwikian 10:10, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC) for my essay. I still don't understand what the uni Chicago website is about restricting access. Perhaps the webmaster got the hump about something or another, it all seems v. strange to me that someone should want to restrict access to literature which is in the public domain, perhaps the text should be loaded onto floppy. It's an awful lot of typing for someone if the site closes down!!!Norwikian 18:24, 15 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Tommorow I intend to start downloading extracts from Sir T.B.'s notebooks. This I promise, is the v. last of his entries. Hope it is not a top-heavy overload of material by him, but as stated before, Uni of Chicago has not got these. I figure you must live in the U.S. to have a problem accessing this site as have not encountered this problem here in G.B. and don't see how such a fee policy could be implemented anywhere except there . 19:25, 19 Jan 2004 (UTC)~

Many thanks for the encouragement! I never yet met a rude or impolite Canadian, indeed my neighbours hail from: do you know of your fellow-countryman the physician Sir William Osler ? He was a great Sir T.B. enthusiast. I believe there is a speicial T.B. collection at MacGill Uni . Osler also wrote an appreciation in his 'An Alabama Student and other selected essays' Oxford 1908 and in his 'Selected Writings' 1951. Such was his influence that somehow or another he got the Canadian Education Board to place Browne's 'Religio Medici' on the Canadian Curriculum for a while !! but enough of my hobby-horse, if Uni.chicago charges for access there is perhaps a case for adding a few of the shorter major works with the Wiki . I think it appalling that they should request a fee, but i think i see the future of how the web will develop.Best wishes Norwikian 12:59, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC) --- Great to learn a little about you ! You appear to suffer lke Sir T.B and me from Bibliomania. I must say however that Sir T.B. piece On Bubbles is not really poetry at all and I appear to have messed up front-page in my attempt to classify it correctly. Don't worry about the Copyright for the Hippocrates. Admittedly it is a cut and paste job, but from a disk which used the 1888 Loeb translation so should be no prob. there. Cheers ! Norwikian 02:36, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Well there is an interesting challenge for you! Personally i don't intend to place any more of Browne's correspondence to Wikisource. I have seen these letters in books stated as being 'On Arthur Dee' and that is in the main near 95% of their subject-matter. I placed them 'cos so little is known about Dee's eldest son, prove that Browne was part of the Dee tradition and because they do make intereting reading as regards the scant biography available on Arthur . Probably best not to worry too much about other possible correspondence unless/until others consider contributing it. Most letters simply don't stick rigidly to one topic 'tho ,so I don't know the answer to how best list/title 'em either!!RegardsNorwikian 18:51, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Requests for Wikisource

Je ne découvre qu'aujourd'hui ton commentaire sur l'Internationale. Pour le tutoiement, ça va de soi. Si tu n'es pas francophone de naissance, félicitations pour ton français quasi-irréprochable. Et sur le fond, oui il y a un travail à faire pour construire des liens cohérents à wikisource. Deepuis les auteurs et à travers toutes les langues. Pour l'Internationale, je ne me suis pas chargé de construire des liens dans chacune des langues, j'en a laissé le soin aux rédacteurs de ces langues. ArnoLagrange 11:23, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Aŭtoroj = auteurs ; Aŭtoro = auteur le j est la marque du pluriel. 06:04, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Re: Dedication of editorship

Keep up your sterling work in maintaining the integrity of this site, Ec. Just to let you know you are not a 'harmless drudge' as Doctor Johnson defined his lexiconography, but are in fact appreciated by those who see your name forever appearing upon the recent changes page !!Norwikian 10:02, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Wow! thanks for pointing that one out, a bit out of my economic league though . The ebay page itself is worth saving for the detailed info on the edition. Fortunately if i have an urge to peruse an antique volume or two the Cathedral library here has a 1672 edition of the 'Pseudodoxia' to lovingly fondle, but this edition appears to have the 2 Discourses appended to it which is v. interesting. Maybe i will hassle some authorities tomorrow to put in a bid! thanks again Ec. Norwikian 14:47, 28 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for pointing out the 1658 edition Ec. How on earth did you know of it unless it is a site you visit sometimes. After much thought i bought it at opening bid, a bargain, thanks again, only don't point out many other antique books by Browne to me as my bank manager will have words with you !!! Norwikian 16:37, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)


Under Ben Bulben

Hi Eclecticology - sorry I haven't answered sooner, but I don't often come by Wikisource. I entered Under Ben Bulben from an Irish textbook , which didn't list it as copyrighted. It didn't occur to me to check on Google, and it would appear that it is indeed copyrighted - therefore, we had best delete it. Excuse the mistake! -- Gabriel Beecham 00:48, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

  • While I'm at it, I just came across To a sHaggis - it speaks for itself :- # -- Gabriel Beecham 00:55, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
  • Indeed, I was not the contributor of the above piece of... wit. Do we have a section for parodies? -- Gabriel Beecham 00:31, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Hi, Eclec'

I've just made a response to your message about Bible translations in other languages and conflicts with naming pages. I offered a solution that may perhaps be acceptable among those who may run into this problem... We could rename the pages and organize them by name e.g. or something of the sort, thus the English would be and so on for other languages. If you establish another place to meet and discuss this let me know. --With regards, Jay B. User:ILVI 12Apr2004

Just a couple of questions. Firstly, what's your stance on using material from Project Gutenberg? Can I add stuff from there?

Secondly, is there any particular areas you want worked on? These UN resolutions are interesting, but if there's something else you'd rather me be working on, I'm just as happy to do it.

Thirdly, can you block It's a spammer - Dysprosia and I have reverted it twice tonight, inserting the same bunch of commercial links to irrelevant pages. Ambivalenthysteria 07:36, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

He's hit us again, same IP, different time of day. Ambivalenthysteria 06:25, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)

--- Je ne viens pas souvent par ici. Trop de projets à suivre simultanément. Le mieux pour que je fasse attention à un message est de me le laisser ici. Cela dit j'ai ajouté quelques langues sur Wikisource:Administrator. ArnoLagrange 15:53, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC)

The Names of Speeches

The Speeches have a problem with format and title. For example, should I write a little blurb explaining why Nixon was giving a resignation speech? If I did it might be not be as NPOV as we would like. As you pointed out, titles are not standardized. Template:As long as we standardize this part.

No matter what we do, many speeches have no real names. We have to be creative when will call something RFK Announces the Death of MLK The speech was not titled. Again, such naming might not be NPOV.

I will take a break from posting here for a few days while I think this stuff over. All in all we can only hope that if the WikiSource gets to some sort of critical mass, we will get enough contributers to let it really take off. [[PaulinSaudi 05:11, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)]]


I thought I would take a few minutes to cut and paste the Treaty of Versailles into the Treaty section. It is an important document and we cannot do without it. All 404 articles of it. It is bleeping huge. Further I suspect that many other important treaties are just as large.

First off, I cannot see an obvious place to stick the T of V in the existing table of contents of the Treaty Page. I think I may recast it as a timeline. We also will have t break off Constitutional Documents into a separate section coequal to Speeches and Treaties.

Then off course we will have a timeline with an entry of "T of V" then about a zillion subheads. Unwieldy at best. Let me ruminate on it. Do you have any thoughts on this?

[[PaulinSaudi 17:09, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)]]

On The Naming of Things

Obviously we have some root-level issues that must be addressed now, so that as the community grows there is some sense of order. Elsewise we will just have a pile of duplication and and endless numbers of needles in a messy haystack.

As I see it, we have two main issues, Organization of content and the Naming of Things.

I have not yet made up my mind to any particular approach. Instead I have some questions.

1. Do we have a Village Pump for the Source? If so, where the heck is it?

2. Can I print out a list of all the articles? Such a list would help me settle my fevered mind on a plan on the Naming of Things. One solution is pretty well as good as another and if the Community has reached a consensus already there is no need to try to sweep the tide away from the beach. [[PaulinSaudi 17:28, 1 May 2004 (UTC)]]

Ordinances of Succession (and other things)


I am upset to the point of giving up on the Source. I added the Os of S more or less because I came across them on the net. Your point about where to put the things is a good one. I just don't have a good answer. This whole project is on the verge of collapsing into an electronic version of my inbox.
Example. I wanted to add the Communist Manifesto ("There is a specter stalking Europe...). So I did a quick check to see if we had it. Try it search for "Communist Manifesto" nothing comes up. Now look for "Manifesto." You will find Manifesto of the Communist Party.
Obviously we need a a bucketload of disambig pages. How do I make them?
Next I spend some quite hours posting all the Inaugural addresses. How can I tell if I should list the author as ((en:George Washington)) or ((author:George Washington))? it is a mystery to me.
I am off to work (remember Saudi Arabia has a Thursday/Friday weekend, saturday is our Monday). I hope you can clear up some of this to me, unless we move now to impose some sort of order this project will fail.

[[PaulinSaudi 02:38, 15 May 2004 (UTC)]]

Dear E- Please forgive my long delay in replying to your thoughtful note. My ISP has been coughing up furballs and so I have been offline.

Let me get caught up on my banking and them get back to work on the Source.

-Paul, in Saudi.

Hi Ec. The other day i met somone from Vancouver who told me that these days it is called Van Kong. How true is that? Somehow i overlooked your last communication. What edition exactly did you purchase of B.'s works? I've not heard of a 3 volume complete works edition before. 1658 edition still guaranteed to amaze visitors, thanks again for the tip on now best revenge oneself upon the bank manager ! Norwikian 19:59, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

Hi Eclectico, Please do edit away at will upon renaming pages and author; if it isn't your perogative, the amount of time you spend shaping this site, it's no-one's. Sadly i must inform you that the Sayle's edition is supposedly unreliable in its editing, 'amending' from Wilkin. But possibly the most slanderous, and spiteful of all books of Sir T.B. remains that by Gosse in 1905 which has single-handedly negatively coloured perceptions for a century now, but at least the Sayle is relatively rare; i'll take another look at it in the UEA library once the students have gone home.Norwikian 18:11, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

Translation of namespaces

Re: subject namespace
The danish translation of Subject:Lebanon would be Emne:Libanon. We do have the word "subjekt" in Danish (spelled with a "k"), but this word is used as a specific grammatical or philosofical term, "emne" is the word that is used in the same general way as "subject" is used in English. I think something similar could be the case in Swedish and Norwegian (I don't know for certain), and translation might be a good idea to avoid confusion between the narrow use of "subjekt" and the broad use of "subject". Having subject pages in multiple languages redirect to the same common category page seems like a good idea to me, but it will then be important to internationalise the category pages (read: create intros/explanations in multiple languages).

About my movings(?) of the Forfatter: pages to Author: pages: I'm not sure wether it was a good idea or not - the two words have no resemblance at all, so the meaning of the word "Author" is not nessesarily obvious to non-English-speaking Danes, and it could be seen as english dominance. The more I think about it, the more I favour the translation of the Autor: namespace to reflect the authors nationality, not only for danish authors, but for authors in general. I haven't had any comments from danish users on the use of the Athor: namespace for danish authors (or on anything else, for that matter), so at present I pretty much feel like shooting in the dark when it comes to guessing the general oppinion of potential danish users.

Oh, and about the typo correction... I just couldn't help myself;-) Christian S 12:33, 13 Jun 2004 (UTC) ___

Thanks for the English lesson - always nice to learn something new:)

As to how much should be translated at the category pages, I think it should be as few words as possible - just enough to state what the subject is. Maybe something like the multilingual welcome at Wikisource:Scriptorium? A little more might be nessesary for some categories in order to define what the category in- and exclude, but for many categories one or just a few words will be enough, like in a "country category" the name of the country would probably be enough, or "history of..." and "geography of..." if splitting into such subcategories is to be made. The redirect approach will work in many cases, but not if the category page is reached by browsing the Category:LC- page (which should be translated as well, if the system is generally accepted). I could easily picture myself searching for texts on a given subject by browsing such a page, which could wery well be more updated than any list of subjects.

I think we have reached some kind of concensus on the Author issue, perhaps it is time to present this to a broader audience at Wikisource:Scriptorium or put a note at Wikisource:Namespaces?--Christian S 18:11, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The danish authors should be in the Danish namespace with a redirect from the English. I just haven't got around to move them yet - I will probably do it soon. Using Help:Author pages is a good idea, the help namespace seems like a good place for templates and general guidelines (like the principles used in translation of the author namespace).
Don't misunderstand me, the subject pages/lists should definitely be made, as those would probably to many users be the prefered way to search for subjects. What I meant was, that some (perhaps only a minority) of the users might use the code reference list instead of, or as a supplement to, the subject lists, and that this is a reason for making multilingual explanations at the category pages.--Christian S 17:54, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Jesse Jackson

I can't imagine that his speech announcing of bid for presidency would be copyrighted. The poem was copied directly from Wikipedia, and I got the impression there that it was also in the public domain. Ambivalenthysteria 05:09, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

What piece were you referring to? The speech, or the poem, or both? Ambivalenthysteria 02:44, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Since when have we not listed speeches made after 1924? Ambivalenthysteria 05:32, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Category LC-K

I have added copyright law to the list of branches at Category talk:LC-K as this is obviously relevant to this project. I'm not much into law in general, but I'll take a look at the DK5 system to see what has been done there, when I can find the time. Christian S 05:11, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia article

The Wikipedia article on Wikisource is badly out-of-date. It still talks about changes that are going to be made in January, 2004. I don't know how the web address changed since then, think you could look at it? Rmhermen 04:39, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

resolutions 1550 & 1308

I rechecked it and everything is correct. 1550 is indeed referring to 1308, which is a resolution "on the responsibility of the Security Council in the maintenance of international peace and security: HIV/AIDS and international peacekeeping operations" [1] And, by the way, other similar resolutions (e.g. 1520 and 1451) are also referring to 1308.

Admin needed

Dear Eclecticology, last night i sa you are able to delete pages so I ask yo for help. I started with the Project "Brehms Thierleben", but wrote it under the title "Brehm's Thierleben" with an ' in it. Now I will move the Textes to the right places and will set the right links to them, but th old pages I cannot delete. This are:

So if you can help me it would be great. Greetings from Berlin, Germany, -- Necrophorus 13:05, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for deleting. You´re right to be puzzled about Thierleben and if you will search for you will found a lot more of such strange words in the documents. The reason of that is, that I am posting the original Text from 1892 and the german words had been written in that time a bit different to nowerdays. The h ist lost somewhat aroun 1910/20 and so are some others. So don't puzzle about that, the version now is orthographic correct (my englich isn't, but you have to live with it >;O), Greetings, -- Necrophorus 17:42, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Problem in need of solving

I uploaded the Constitution of Fiume. I first put it in the [How to submit] box. Then I found Wikisource:Constitutional documents. I put a link there. but the link does not work. It is under Italy then Fiume. Can you fix that?WHEELER 13:09, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)

How to create a page

I got your message on my talk page — thanks a lot! Your instructions need a more prominent place on the community portal so that other newbies won't have the same problem I had; I'll look for the best place to keep them. --Ardonik 00:41, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Re:Rondo Alla Turka

Yes, I uploaded it as a test to see if the 5 meg limit applied here (it's a conversion of a public domain midi from Mutopia - IE, it's PD). Long story short - I'm going to be rewriting Wikipedia's sound page very, very soon. As per Angela's direction, full song files belong here, not on Wikipedia. I'm testing the waters here first. Raul654 23:48, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

In the past, when I have uploaded songs (to wikipedia - before I was told wikisource was a better place), this is what kind of image file I would put:

When I rewrite the sound FAQ, I'll write up a standard sound template. Raul654 00:24, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

New Language Domain

Hi Eclecticology, I was going to post this on Sriptorium, but then I thought twice about it and decided it would be more appropriate to discuss with you directly first:

I’m happy to announce that the domain for Hebrew discussed above ("Setting up a new language") has been set up, and that it takes care of the language problems, problems which were unfortunately unsolvable under the present single domain. The new domain (, for which the interwiki link is currently hewikisource:, can function easily in cooperation with the current WikiSource, and I indeed hope to link translations of many texts from one domain to the other. The entire thing can easily function together as a cooperative project even across domains, as does Wikipedia. I hope that in the near future WS will function across language domains using the same style and inerwiki codes as do all the other WikiMedia projects.

While working on getting this set up I learned a lot: I read through most of the history of discussion on Scriptorium, the English mainpage, and a bit in French and German plus archives. I saw that there was much discussion around the end of last year as to whether the project should function in a single domain, or have multiple-language domains like Wikipedia. Before reading, I had thought the single-language domain was simply because no technical alternative had yet been set up, but through reading I learned that many of the very active people here strongly want it that way for a number of reasons.

But even though this is the position of people who have contributed an incredible amount to the site – there would be a whole lot less here without them! – I still remain unconvinced. It seems to me that the current arrangement is very curbersome in languages other than English, and actually disrupts the creation of communities in smaller languages (which in turn hampers the growth of WikiSource in those languages).

In any case, Hebrew was a unique example, because it simply cannot function in the present setup. For those languages that are capable of functioning in the present setup, an open discussion about if and how to go to separate language domains is probably desirable. Whatever the future decision is, creating an international multilingual community to working on making texts available to the public is a wonderful thing, and something that should be helped to grow easily and happily.Dovi 08:38, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your kind reply on my talk page. I look forward to working together.Dovi 02:24, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC)


I see that you have marked a large number of pages for deletion. Nevertheless, no reason is given for wanting these deletions. A brief reason for each one at Wikisource:Proposed deletions would be appreciated. A large part of these relate to source code, about which I know very little; with a little explanation you may even find that I agree with you on a significant portion.

In this general vein, I am also puzzled by why you would characterize some of them as "inclusion disputes". Apart from your suddenly wanting them deleted, there has been no dispute. Eclecticology 05:50, 2004 Aug 14 (UTC)

Noted. Sorry, it's getting a bit late and I ought to get some sleep soon. Quicker to throw a template at them all at once. The articles that had {{delete}} thrown at them were mainly fragments that seemed to be of no value to anyone. {{inclusion}} was for the ones I'm less certain of, though I'm still doubtful of them.
As I see it, {{inclusion}} is enough of a dispute by itself. If somebody else thinks the article should be there, fine. They can remove the notice. If the notice lasts for a while, probably nobody cares about the article and it should be deleted. --Eequor 06:12, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Requests for Deletion

If you would be so kind, please delete the pages Book of Mormon, A Brief Explanation about the Book of Mormon, Book of Mormon, Testimony of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Book of Mormon, Title Page, Book of Mormon, The Testimony of Three Witnesses, and Book of Mormon, The Testimony of Eight Witnesses. They have all been incorporated into Book of Mormon, Introduction and are now redundant. Thanks - Biggins 10:40, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Nguyễn Du

Je viens de remarquer que vous avez commencé une page apropos d'un roman de l'auteur, Nguyễn Du sur Wikisource. Pour bien faire des liens vers cette page ça prendrait de commencer une page d'auteur pour cette personne. Cette page devrait avoir comme titre "Auteur:Nguyễn Du" où le mot "auteur" est remplacé par son équivalent vietnamien. Ces pages contiennent aussi des section de "Biographie" et "Oeuvres" avec ces titres aussi dans la langue de l'auteur. La section biographique pourrait donner des liens vers les Wikipédie où se trouvent les biographie. Merci. Si vous avez des questions répondez S.V.P. sur ma page Wikisource:User talk:Eclecticology. Eclecticology 30 aoû 2004 à 01:02 (CEST)

heuh... comment on fait pour créer une page "Auteur:Nguyễn Du"? --Hada de la Luna 04:51, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC)


Les textes que j'ai copiés sont en langue fr pour l'instant, il y a en général un petit message qui indique "au moment", en attendant une traduction.

Briséis 13:57, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Changes to the main page

Would you please take a look at the changes to the Main Page, and give a comment at Talk:Main Page? Christian S 07:16, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

About Desai's book


The point is that, in India, most people, including editors, don't care about copyright. When I asked the editor of the Gandhi's book I translated, it was so strange to him that he could not understand my question. ;o)

Many works from Gandhi are published on the web, and AFAIK, the editor of Gandhi do not care about it. It's a public administration sponsored by the government of India, and doesn't make profit from its publications. Gandhi's books are sold at cost price in India.

I only once got a problem regarding copyright of Gandhi's works, and that was with an English publisher. Actually I personaly know the son (should be over 80 now) and the grand-daughter of Mahadev Desai, and I could ask them what they think. Yann 17:05, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Hi Ray,

I am back here after further research on Indian works.

I wrote the contacts I have (mentioned above), but still no answer. Meanwhile I found that the autobiography of Gandhi was translated by Mahadev Desai. So I started putting it here. I also added early works by Gandhi, which, I think, can be considered in the public domain in the USA. What do you think ? Yann 09:24, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Help needed for translation of question in French

Hi Eclecticology

Somebody has asked me a question in French at User talk:Christian S/Sandbox. Can you translate it for me? Christian S 16:10, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Administrateur et vote

Merci pour tes remarques et pour m'avoir accorder le statut d'administrateur. Je n'avais pas vu qu'il y avait un vote, je vais voir ça sans tarder. Caton 15:29, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)


Hello. Why did you replace "Auteurs d'oeuvres en Français" whith "Oeuvres en version Française par auteur" ? I do not think this is appropriate, because this is a link to a list of authors, not to a list of works. So it is a bit misleading...--ThomasV 18:43, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Somme théologique

Oui, je suis plutôt d'accord avec la division par question. Pour le titre exact, je ne sais pas encore, je vais voir. Je vais essayer de continuer le travail dans les jours qui viennent. Caton 12:38, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Hi Ec, I answered your question about the best naming convention on my talk page, because I thought it would be easier to follow the discussion. However you do not seem to have noticed it, so I put my answer here once again: I do not have an opinion about the best naming convention for these files... Just do as you want. However, you should not forget to update the links, these files are referred to in Somme théologique (Sommaire général). At the moment, you renamed 3 of them, and as a result the corresponding links in the sommaire général are broken (partly because Caton deleted the redirect file). Moreover, I think that if you plan to rename them, you should rename all 90 of them, not just 3. For that, it is appropriate to use a script. If you do not want to rename all of them, I suggest that you revert those 3 to their previous state. I do not think that somebody will be willing to do it manually, it is just too cumbersome.--ThomasV 10:34, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Bonjour, j'ai reçu le message suivant mais je ne connais pas la réponse :

"Hi! Don't U know is it possible (if I put a template in a category and an article contains that template) that the template category name don't be there on the bottom of the article? Example: Kategóriák, where should be only one Category name (Magyar vonatkozású szövegek) on the bottom, but the template Category name (Magyar vonatkozású sablonok) should'nt be đere. Thx. Gubbubu 12:43, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)"

Est-ce que tu sais s'il y a une solution ? Merci. Caton 10:15, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Bonjour Caton. Ca n'est pas possible. La solution: éviter de mettre un tag de catégorie à l'intérieur d'un template. --ThomasV 10:52, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Roman Numberals

I see that you have divided up the text with headings such as Gulliver's Travels - Part II, Chapter III. The only question I would have is about the use of Roman numerals in our titles. I'd like to try standardizing things to Arabic numerals throughout, but if you have any arguments against this I would be glad to hear them.

Pretty much the only reasons I used Roman numerals for this book is because the various sources I've referenced actually use Roman numerals instead of Arabic. Also, I'm a fan of Roman numerals, since a good deal of the books I read use them--I've gotten quite used to them. About standaridizing all of our pages to Arabic numerals, I am not a fan of the idea, although I won't oppose measures taken to do so. I mean, I just don't see the point to do it. But I'm also aware that I am probably not seeing this from every angle, so if you explained you stance regarding standardizing title pages using Arabic numerals would do, I will at least be able to dialogue better on this topic and I might also agree with you. Zhaladshar 21:00, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I see your point about how Roman numerals may affect alphebatizing, and I had not even thought that some people might not know this method. But my question is how exactly would Roman numerals affect sorting articles? Since I know of no automated way of sorting them on Wikisource, are you more talking that a person who does not know Roman numerology might try to manually sort them, going by a pure alphabetizing standard and put articles in order in a way similar to this: C, D, I, II, III, IV, IX... and in essence put them all out of order? Or are you referring to the sorting of articles with Roman numerals by a computer system?

The only sort of problem I could see with Roman numerals are some of the larger numbers--like 1778 (MDCCLXXVIII)--would be easy to make a mistake in, since no one really thinks in terms of Roman numerals. But this isn't really a problem until you get into very high numbers. This is where Arabic numerals would be handy. But I'm not trying to make a fuss, either. I just wanted some clarification so I can give it some thought. Zhaladshar 22:53, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Titles for Election Results

Thanks for your comments on the naming of the UK Election 2001 results pages, and I take your point. Given how far I have got, is there an easy way to change the titles of articles - I think that's what we need? - or making the current pages redundant or hidden? Timberline 22:02, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

O.K., have made some changes: will try to keep to these conventions - in what looks like a very long job! I have gone for "(UK 2001 General Election)" in one of the sub-headings, as although this does repeat the word 'Election', I feel the phrase "General Election" is what is used and will mean more to people.

I think I would tend to keep with the use of "Results": this is what they are, rather than just a list of candidates, for example. Timberline 23:33, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

localized pages

thanks for your comments. I'll take the time to answer them in detail on the same page. I do not wish to take position in your argument with Dovi. However, since we (you, me and him) seem to agree on having localized author pages, it will be interesting to see if his level of participation increases now. --ThomasV 21:27, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I'm willing to write an extension of categories. please have a look at Proposed extension. I'd like to know if I will have your support for that, when it comes to submitting a patch to wikimedia. note that the result might differ strongly from what is in the file, especially wrt syntax. however the general idfea is what we discussed previously: to generate author pages automatically.--ThomasV 19:07, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)


To jest orginalny tytuł. tego nie wolno zmieniac bo nam sie Kochanowski w grobie obróci. Krzych 11:11, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC) You do wrong. Please do not do it. "Księgi pierwsze", "Księgi wtóre" ,"Księgi trzecie" - was genuine title. Krzych 11:30, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC) Yes, it is time-honoured.Krzych 02:07, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)


FYI, I made a suggestion at the Scriptorium about slightly altering our categorisation system, so as to support both the LOC system and those who can't understand it. A response would be nice :) Ambivalenthysteria 12:06, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Re: A Blighted Life

Hi. In answer to your query, the original text isn't broke up like that; I just did it to keep each page under 30kb. Currently I have transcribed 34 out of 75 pages of the main text (not including the Appendix or the Supplemental Notes), so there will probably be more "parts" (i.e. Wiki web pages). After I'm done, I'll probably splice them together into a seperate full text version. Also, the Endnotes aren't part of the original text either.

Feel free to re-arrange the navigation.

Deletion of Pi

I could be mistaken, but I am quite sure Pi was (at some point) was a redirection page to various pages with the digits of Pi. I believe so because I think I created it. Since I do not have admin privileges on this Wiki, could you check what happened to it? Thanks in advance. – Peter J. Acklam 13:29, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

ma page de discussion

I've removed the "redirect" from this page. The purpose of the "user talk" page is so that others may send you messages. When someone does that here you receive a notice that you have new messages. This would not happen if messages were put anywhere else. Your "user" page is primarily for what you want to say about yourself.

I see that you also set up a page beginning with "utilisateur". Unfortunately, the software for this project does not recognize the French namespace. I would suggest that you move the material that you have put there to your regular "user" page.

I hope that this information will help to make your time spent with Wikisource more productive and more enjoyable. Eclecticology 17:36, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

suite à ce message, je vous de ne pas recommencer: certes je n'ai pas eu de message dans l'intervalle, mais du coup je vous ai lu avec près d'un mois de retard, ce qui ne serait pas arrivé si vous aviez laissé le redirect qui permet de renvoyer sur le WP français où je suis tous les jours ou presque --Hada de la Luna 11:00, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)


Please have a look to User talk:Gadacz--Mauki 10:46, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)


Hi and a Happy New Year ! I happened to notice you've begun writing on music and am reading with interest. Describing yourself as a maniacal book-collector I just wondered whether you've ever come acroos Anthony Storr's 'Music and the Mind' (Harper Collins 92) or the Source-book 'Music, mysticism and Magic' edited by Joscelyn Godwin (Arkana 87). They both gave me food for thought upon what is still a rich field to write upon. Regards! Norwikian 00:56, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I fiori del male

Sorry, was posted on italian wikipedia by an anonymous user, but I think works by Baudelaire are PD. Don't know how things works with translations to be honest.

--Snowdog 22:37, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)
No problem, it's just a few poems, not the complete work. --Snowdog 22:49, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Cambridge History of American Literature

No problem :-). Working on (and continuing to work on) the CHAL is quite enjoyable. I would actually like to move toward adding much more collective works like this one, encyclopediae, etc., but I have know idea how to get my hands on those things. I think that expanding our selection of collective works will really boost Wikisource and would like to start those projects. Do you have any suggestions on where to begin? I really don't have much money to buy large collections (and being a staunch bibliophile, I would not want to tear those books up to scan them into the computer--not that I have the software to do it either), so are there some sites that offer these collections? Thanks! Zhaladshar 22:17, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

New vote on language subdomains

Wikisource has attracted many new contributors since the last vote, and the level of activity of some older contributors, who took part to the first vote, has greatly changed. For these reasons, I believe it is time to organize a new vote on the issue of language subdomains. I have decided to organize this vote. Would you like to take part to its organization? --ThomasV 18:30, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Rudyard Kipling

The mistake you just made with Rudyard Kipling should demonstrate you how critically language subdomains are needed. First, hungarian pages on wikisource will have a safer life if their administrators can read hungarian. Second, there is a conflict in namespace for author pages. Please open your eyes and change your mind. There is nothing wrong with changing one's opinion. ThomasV 19:18, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Caton / User:Marc


Serait-il possible de faire administrateur mon nouveau compte ? J'abandonne l'ancien. Merci. Caton 23:03, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Merci ! Marc 00:06, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Hola, he recibido tu mensaje. No soy administradora en otra wikipedia e ignoro cuales son los procedimientos. Muchas gracias por el nombramiento.

Hi, I have received your message. I'm not administrator in another wikipedia and I ignore which are the procedures. I'm very grateful to you and all. --LadyInGrey 03:46, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Been away for a while ;) What about mass-importing complete multi-page public domain texts such as Bibles. Looking at the KJV and others, mainly because of concern that Bible links on Wikipedia are all over the place and point to proprietary and agenda-promoting sites. Sites like are interesting because of their parallelism - but seems like a good thing to do it the wiki way... -SV


Please reply to my post about the List of victims of the Great Lakes storm of 1913. Thanks. Brian0918 03:36, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You mentioned on Wikisource:Possible copyright violations/archives/Mein Kampf#From Wikisource:Possible copyright violations that you had acquired the rights to with the hopes of setting up a Canadian wikisource server which would allow us Canadians to post works that were in the public domain in Canada. Did that ever go anywhere? CSN 13:31, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


Wow. I must vehemently object to this whole Category:LC- business. Please see Category talk:LC-. I don't mean to beat you up over this, but I think the approach is completely misguided... - dcljr 06:22, 14 July 2005 (UTC)


I have to agree with the general attitude toward Category:LC-. I think it's a neat idea, given librarians' fascination with total orders of human knowledge, but whoever posted the link to Boynton v. Virginia made a good point — the category titles need to include their English names as well.

The reason I'm writing here, however, is because I just finished compiling a proposed expansion of Category:LC-TB (talk), which I thought you might want to be notified about. --Quuxplusone 00:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Transwiki log deletions

I just left an irate message at Wikisource talk:Transwiki log about the mass deletion of Wikisource:Transwiki log entries incoming from Wikiquote, because I spent a considerable amount of time syncing these records so that I could safely delete the leftover articles on that project, per official policy. I was upset because I found no policy that permitted the removal of log entries, no Wikisource-specific transwiki policy at all, and explicit expectation of permanent log entries at en:Wikipedia, the flagship for most wiki policy (especially unwritten policy). I see now that you made these deletions and left a message for Kalki (whose entries you deleted) based on your idea of what the log was meant for. I am quite troubled by the idea that we have written policy that we expect people to read and understand, only to find it is ignored by the folks who apparently started the process. Policy is set by community consensus, so if it's not meshing with what people are doing, then there's a real problem. I would appreciate your insight on why we're in this situation. ~ Jeff Q 22:04, 29 July 2005 (UTC)



Are you active any more here? If not your sysop status will probably be removed. Regards, Yann 12:51, 15 January 2006 (UTC)



You are receiving this message because you are a sysop on, and because you have not been active in the last 6 months. A procedure is currently going on to remove inactive sysops.

If you wish to keep your sysop status, please answer on Wikisource:Administrators. Please indicate why you want to keep your sysop privileges.

If you do not respond, your sysop permissions will be removed.

tamil wikisource

Hi,We have voted for the creation of tamil wikisource and there is lot of support. please see . But the request is pending for long time. we would like to get the tamil wikisource started immediately as we have lot of our ancient literature worksto be uploaded there. please let us know if we have to do anything more to start the process of creating domain for tamil wikisource. we assure to take care of the domain. Thanks--Ravidreams 11:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


Hello, Eclecticology. Do you remember where those images come from? I think they should be deleted according to, except if they are tagged with a free license. Thanks! -Aleator (talk) 21:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Username rename

I'd like my username User:Cool Cat be renamed to User:White Cat. Thanks. -- Cat chi? 23:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Bot flag request for User:Computer

  • Bot operator: User:White Cat (Commons:User:White Cat) - En-N, Tr-4, Ja-1
  • List of botflags on other projects: Bot has a flag on wikimedia (meta,commons) wikipedia (ar, az, de, en, es, et, fr, is, ja, ku, nn, no, ru, sr, tr, uz, simple...) (See: m:User:White Cat#Bots)
  • Purpose: Interwiki linking, double redirect fixing, commons delinking (for cases where commonsdelinker fails)

-- Cat chi? 20:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I would like to note an objection to this request until the bot has done a short run demonstrating its ability to operate correctly on Wikisource. I have also noted an objection on s:User talk:BirgitteSB#Bot flag request for User:Computer. --John Vandenberg 00:16, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
FYI: [2], -jkb- 22:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

SUL help

I previously contacted you on the English Wikipedia here. Because the SUL screen is picking up on the account known as User:Ryulong here, which I apparently did not register (none of my passwords work), could you usurp the name?Ryulong-en 22:45, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Usurpation request

Hi, in order to complete SUL, I would like my account to me renamed from Malta_fr to Malta. Thanks, Malta fr 06:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Where is your principal account? Eclecticology 00:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, my main account is on WP:fr. bye, Malta fr 11:02, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello again, is there a problem with my request ? best, 07:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Usurpation request

Dear Eclecticology, first of all please apologize my bad english (I'm italian). ;) As I asked before here and here to the stewards, I would like to take the user name "Lucas". Infact as "Lucas" I am sysop on italian wikipedia and I am contributor in many others Wikimedia projects (, commons, all of them already unified). The user "Lucas" here on meta, has only one old edit. It is possible to rename it and than unify "Lucas" with mine? Many thanks in advance. --Lucas (talk) 01:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

rename account

I would like to rename my account to a new name; "Niduzzi", as my current name ("Izzudin") is already in use in w:id: and w:ar: by others. So I can't unify my account. Thanks! Izzudin 06:06, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Request of username change

Could you please rename me from PAJD to Petrus Adamus? The new account has been created automatically yet, thus an formal usurpation is needed. Thank you beforehand. --PAJD 00:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

chapter meeting sunday

Hi. It was nice to meet you here. Tomorrow, i.e. sunday April 18, I will help to restore the conference facilities and I will be there after (approx) 14:30 local time. When possible we could meet again and have a short talk. Regards, -jkb- 10:36, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Usurpation for FIL

Hello. I want to usurp local account FIL with 0 edits. -- 07:40, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I have posted a signed request in my talk page in home wiki (ru wiki). Can this be a correct confirmation? -- 16:53, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletions

See my comment here. Regards, Maximillion Pegasus 00:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Let us discuss it central. See Wikisource:Scriptorium#User:OwtbBot (with remarks on User talk:-jkb-#Category:Limburgish). Regards -jkb- 08:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Ah, so I see. Well, since I already have the admin flag it would probably be easier to simply give me the bot flag for a few minutes to finish up the deletions, since the bot flag can be both granted and removed locally. I'll wait and see what Eclecticology says. Maximillion Pegasus 21:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)



Je ne sais pas si tu as vu Wikisource:Scriptorium. Sinon, pourrais-tu y jetter un œil et me dire ce que tu en penses ?

En fait, après réflexion, je dubite un peu sur la réelle utilité/besoin d’être admin ici (même temporairement). J’ai posé la question parce que j’ai besoin de supprimer Index:Luzel - Gwerziou Breiz-Izel.djvu et toutes ses pages (je viens de le faire sur, du coup j’ai eu le réflexe de vouloir faire la même chose ici). Qu’en penses-tu ?

Cdlt, VIGNERON 16:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Rename user accounts


Could you or some other bureaucrat rename my user account, as requested on Metawiki? Helder 15:27, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! Could you also delete this subpage? Helder 16:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Rename user account

Hi Eclecticology

Could you please rename the account Fredxavier (talkcontribs), as requested in meta-wiki? The user requested the right to vanish, and ask me by mail to do the requests. Here is the confirmation in his home wiki user page. Thank you very much. Beria 10:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

PS.: I send the same message to ThomasV.


Hello, can you see this request? Regards. Manuelt15 01:51, 6 March 2011 (UTC)


Eclecticology, thank you very much! I have answered you on -jkb-’s talk page. --Zyephyrus 13:02, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the flag; my points for improving the policy here follow today or tommorow, regards -jkb- 10:30, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

see proposal

Hi. I have just posted a paper Wikisource:Proposal, please have a look at it. Many points must be changed or added. But as a first step... I'm also not quite sure if the page name is OK, move it if you think something else would be better. Regards -jkb- 09:08, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Possible removal of your privileges

Hello Eclecticology! I have just started a vote for removal of your administrator and bureaucrat privileges because your last edit dates back to 22 December 2011. Please respond there if you want your privileges to be kept. Thanks! –BruTe 18:39, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

spam bot

Hi. I hope you had a look at this in the meantime. This mornig I started to delete and to block, but the bot/s were quickier than me. I think only a bot (Electron? I tried to contact him today here and on plwiki) can do something. But it is very neccessary to lock the domain for all new users, I don`t know if you have the right. And then we should discuss a measure for the reducing of the rgristrations, first step: captcha. But now the RC semm awful. -jkb- (talk) 18:05, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Electron Bot was effective at deleting these as they came out. Matma.Rex installed an Abuse Filter. That was working working for a while, but it seems to have become ineffective. I have just added Check user to your rights; that may help to block some of these at the IP address level. I asked Matma.Rex about installing Captchas, but he hasn't replied yet. I think I now ave the right access to do this; I just need to figure out how to do it. Eclecticology (talk) 00:55, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
This recent flurry of spam seems to have come mostly from two IP ranges, which I have blocked. Eclecticology (talk) 01:07, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
re -jkb- (talk) 14:10, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

An important message about renaming users

Dear Eclecticology,

I am cross-posting this message to many places to make sure everyone who is a Wikimedia Foundation project bureaucrat receives a copy. If you are a bureaucrat on more than one wiki, you will receive this message on each wiki where you are a bureaucrat.

As you may have seen, work to perform the Wikimedia cluster-wide single-user login finalisation (SUL finalisation) is taking place. This may potentially effect your work as a local bureaucrat, so please read this message carefully.

Why is this happening? As currently stated at the global rename policy, a global account is a name linked to a single user across all Wikimedia wikis, with local accounts unified into a global collection. Previously, the only way to rename a unified user was to individually rename every local account. This was an extremely difficult and time-consuming task, both for stewards and for the users who had to initiate discussions with local bureaucrats (who perform local renames to date) on every wiki with available bureaucrats. The process took a very long time, since it's difficult to coordinate crosswiki renames among the projects and bureaucrats involved in individual projects.

The SUL finalisation will be taking place in stages, and one of the first stages will be to turn off Special:RenameUser locally. This needs to be done as soon as possible, on advice and input from Stewards and engineers for the project, so that no more accounts that are unified globally are broken by a local rename to usurp the global account name. Once this is done, the process of global name unification can begin. The date that has been chosen to turn off local renaming and shift over to entirely global renaming is 15 September 2014, or three weeks time from now. In place of local renames is a new tool, hosted on Meta, that allows for global renames on all wikis where the name is not registered will be deployed.

Your help is greatly needed during this process and going forward in the future if, as a bureaucrat, renaming users is something that you do or have an interest in participating in. The Wikimedia Stewards have set up, and are in charge of, a new community usergroup on Meta in order to share knowledge and work together on renaming accounts globally, called Global renamers. Stewards are in the process of creating documentation to help global renamers to get used to and learn more about global accounts and tools and Meta in general as well as the application format. As transparency is a valuable thing in our movement, the Stewards would like to have at least a brief public application period. If you are an experienced renamer as a local bureaucrat, the process of becoming a part of this group could take as little as 24 hours to complete. You, as a bureaucrat, should be able to apply for the global renamer right on Meta by the requests for global permissions page on 1 September, a week from now.

In the meantime please update your local page where users request renames to reflect this move to global renaming, and if there is a rename request and the user has edited more than one wiki with the name, please send them to the request page for a global rename.

Stewards greatly appreciate the trust local communities have in you and want to make this transition as easy as possible so that the two groups can start working together to ensure everyone has a unique login identity across Wikimedia projects. Completing this project will allow for long-desired universal tools like a global watchlist, global notifications and many, many more features to make work easier.

If you have any questions, comments or concerns about the SUL finalisation, read over the Help:Unified login page on Meta and leave a note on the talk page there, or on the talk page for global renamers. You can also contact me on my talk page on meta if you would like. I'm working as a bridge between Wikimedia Foundation Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Stewards, and you to assure that SUL finalisation goes as smoothly as possible; this is a community-driven process and I encourage you to work with the Stewards for our communities.

Thank you for your time. -- Keegan (WMF) talk 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

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Help with harassment by cs.wikisource admins

Hi, I see you are admin of this wiki. On the local Village pump there's written: "This is the central location for discussing issues with Wikisource, and the place to ask for help." So I posted a plea for help there but noone replied. Would you please have a look? I'm being harassed by cs.wikisource admins, I was banned indef but I never did anything wrong on the wiki at all. Thanks in advance. --Auvajs (talk) 17:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)