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ar: هذا الموقع الرئيسي لنقاش ويكي مصدر ومكان طلب المساعدة. استخدم اللغات التي تعرف، وترجم ما ترغب.
bn: এটি উইকিসংকলনের বিষয়বস্তু ও সমস্যা নিয়ে আলোচনা করার একটি কেন্দ্রীয় আলোচনার স্থান। প্রয়োজন হলে সাহায্য চাইতে পারেন। আপনি যে ভাষা জানেন তাই ব্যবহার করতে পারেন ও অনুবাদ করতে পারেন।
de: Dies ist eine zentrale Stelle, um alle Themen um Wikisource zu diskutieren, und ein Platz, um nach Hilfe zu fragen. Benutzen Sie die Sprache(n), die Sie beherrschen, und übersetzen Sie, was Ihnen gefällt.
diq: No wikiçıme heta merselan war ardış u mınaqeşe kerdış i heta cay peşti waştışiyo.Zıwanê ke şıma zanê ê zımani dı iştıraq bıkerê u açarnayış seni beno bıumısê.
el: Αυτή είναι η κεντρική τοποθεσία για να συζητήσετε θέματα για τη Βικιθήκη, αλλά και το μέρος για να ζητήσετε βοήθεια. Χρησιμοποιήστε τη γλώσσα (ή τις γλώσσες) που γνωρίζετε και μεταφράστε αυτά που θέλετε.
fa: این مکان مرکزی برای بحث در مورد مسائل درباره ویکی‌نبشته و مکانی برای درخواست کمک است. از زبان (هایی) که می‌شناسید استفاده کنید و آنچه را دوست دارید ترجمه کنید.
en: This is the central location for discussing issues with Wikisource, and the place to ask for help. Use the language(s) you know, and translate what you like.
eo: Ĉi tio estas la centra loko por diskuti problemojn pri Vikifontaro, kaj la loko por serĉi helpon. Uzu la lingvo(j)n kiu(j)n vi konas, kaj traduku kion vi volas.
es: Este es el lugar central para discutir cualquier asunto de Wikisource y es el lugar para pedir ayuda. Use los idiomas que conozca, y traduzca lo que crea necesario que otros sepan.
fr: Ceci est la page principale pour discuter de ce qui a trait à Wikisource, et pour demander de l’aide. Utilisez la (ou les) langue(s) que vous connaissez, et traduisez ce qui vous plaît.
ga: Seo an lárnionad chun téamaí a bhaineann le Vicífhoinse a phlé, agus an áit inar féidir leat cabhair a iarraidh. Bain usáid as teanga ar bith dá bhfuil agat agus aistrigh cibé rud is mian leat.
gbm: इ च मझळु अड्डा विकीसोतु दगड़ मुद्दा बारा म छुंई लगाणु खुणी, अर ठाणु मदद मंगण खुणी. इस्तेमाल कारा उ भाखा ज्व तुमु बिंगुदौ, अर बदलाखरा जू च पसंद​।
he: זה הדף המיועד לדיונים העוסקים בויקיטקסט, והמקום לפנות לעזרה. השתמשו בשפות שאתם מכירים, ותרגמו את מה שאתם רוצים.
hy: Սա Վիքիդարանի հետ կապված հարցերի քննարկման կենտրոնական վայրն է, որտեղ դուք կարող եք նաև դիմել հարցերով։ Օգտագործեք ձեր իմացած լեզուն(երը) և թարգմանե՛ք ի՜նչ կամենում եք։
io: Ita esas la centrala loko por diskutar problemi pri Wikifonto, e la loko por serchar helpo. Uzez la linguo/i quan vu parolas, e tradukar quon/in vu volas.
it: Questo è il luogo principale dove discutere di Wikisource, e il posto dove chiedere aiuto.Scrivi nella lingua che vuoi, puoi anche tradurre quello che vuoi.
ja: ここはプロジェクトについて議論したり、質問がある時に尋ねたりするための場所です。お望みの言語を使って書き込んで下さい。他の人の書き込みを翻訳して下さる方も歓迎です。
ko: 이곳은 주로 위키문헌과 관련된 문제들에 관한 논의를 하는 곳이며 도움을 구할 수 있는 곳입니다. 당신이 구사할 수 있는 언어를 사용해서 마음껏 번역해 주시길 바랍니다.
nl: Dit is de centrale plek om elk onderwerp in Wikisource te bediscussiëren en de plaats om hulp te vragen. Gebruik de taal die je kent en vertaal wat en wanneer je wilt.
nn: Dette er den sentrale staden å diskutere saker som gjeld Wikisource, og staden for å be om hjelp. Bruk dei språka du kan, og set om det du vil.
pt: Esta é a página principal para discutir tudo o que se relaciona com o Wikisource e também o lugar para procurar ajuda. Faça uso da(s) língua(s) que conhece, e traduza os textos que quiser.
ru: Это центральное место для обсуждений, связанных с Викитекой в целом, а также место, где можно спросить о помощи. Используйте язык, который вы знаете и переводите что и когда вам нравится.
su: Ieu mangrupa loka pikeun nyawalakeun hal-hal ngeunaan Wikisource, sarta tempat pikeun ménta pitulung. Pigunakeun basa nu ku anjeun dipikawanoh, tarjamahkeun nu dipikaresep.
sv: Detta är den huvudsakliga platsen där alla typer av frågor rörande Wikisource diskuteras och där nya frågor kan ställas. Använd de språk som du kan och översätt när och vad du vill av andra.
tl: Ito ang sentrong lokasyon para pag-usupan ang mga isyu kasama ng Wikisource, at ang lugar upang humingi ng tulong. Gamitin ang (mga) wika na alam mo, at isalin ang anong gusto mo.
vi: Đây là trung tâm để thảo luận các vấn đề liên quan đến Wikisource. Bạn sử dụng các ngôn ngữ bạn biết, và dịch những gì bạn thích.
vo: Atos binon top cifik, kö mögos ad bespikön valikosi dö Vükifonät, e kö kanoy i begön yufi. Gebolös pükis, kelis sevol, e tradutolös utosi, kelosi vilol.
yue: 呢度係主要討論維基文庫相關問題嘅版面。你可以用你識得嘅語言留言，亦都可以幫手翻譯其他人嘅留言。
zh-hant: 這裡是討論與維基文庫有關話題和尋求幫助的頁面。使用您所了解的語言留言。您也可以在任何時候把他人的留言翻譯成您熟悉的語言。
zh-hans: 这里是讨论与维基文库有关话题和寻求帮助的页面。使用您所了解的语言留言。您也可以在任何时候把他人的留言翻译成您熟悉的语言。
id:Ini adalah lokasi sentral untuk mendiskusikan berbagai masalah dengan Wikisource, dan tempat untuk meminta bantuan. Gunakan bahasa yang Anda ketahui, dan terjemahkan sesuka Anda.
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Universal Code of Conduct – 2021 consultations[edit]

Universal Code of Conduct Phase 2[edit]

Please help translate to your language

The Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) provides a universal baseline of acceptable behavior for the entire Wikimedia movement and all its projects. The project is currently in Phase 2, outlining clear enforcement pathways. You can read more about the whole project on its project page.

Drafting Committee: Call for applications[edit]

The Wikimedia Foundation is recruiting volunteers to join a committee to draft how to make the code enforceable. Volunteers on the committee will commit between 2 and 6 hours per week from late April through July and again in October and November. It is important that the committee be diverse and inclusive, and have a range of experiences, including both experienced users and newcomers, and those who have received or responded to, as well as those who have been falsely accused of harassment.

To apply and learn more about the process, see Universal Code of Conduct/Drafting committee.

2021 community consultations: Notice and call for volunteers / translators[edit]

From 5 April – 5 May 2021 there will be conversations on many Wikimedia projects about how to enforce the UCoC. We are looking for volunteers to translate key material, as well as to help host consultations on their own languages or projects using suggested key questions. If you are interested in volunteering for either of these roles, please contact us in whatever language you are most comfortable.

To learn more about this work and other conversations taking place, see Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations.

-- Xeno (WMF) (talk) 22:15, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Invitation to m:Talk:Universal Code of Conduct/2021 consultations/Discussion[edit]

I am interested in hearing the input of Wikisource users about the application of the Universal Code of Conduct, especially from the perspective of interactions on Wikisource. Xeno (WMF) (talk) 23:54, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Line numbering coming soon to all wikis[edit]

Example

From April 15, you can enable line numbering in some wikitext editors - for now in the template namespace, coming to more namespaces soon. This will make it easier to detect line breaks and to refer to a particular line in discussions. These numbers will be shown if you enable the syntax highlighting feature (CodeMirror extension), which is supported in the 2010 and 2017 wikitext editors.

More information can be found on this project page. Everyone is invited to test the feature, and to give feedback on this talk page.

-- Johanna Strodt (WMDE) 15:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-16[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Email to the Wikimedia wikis are handled by groups of Wikimedia editors. These volunteer response teams now use Znuny instead of OTRS. The functions and interface remain the same. The volunteer administrators will give more details about the next steps soon. [1][2]
  • If you use syntax highlighting, you can see line numbers in the 2010 and 2017 wikitext editors when editing templates. This is to make it easier to see line breaks or talk about specific lines. Line numbers will soon come to all namespaces. [3][4][5]
  • Advanced item Because of a technical change there could be problems with gadgets and scripts that have an edit summary area that looks similar to this one. If they look strange they should use mw.loader.using('mediawiki.action.edit.styles') to go back to how they looked before. [6]
  • The latest version of MediaWiki came to the Wikimedia wikis last week. There was no Tech News issue last week.

Changes later this week

  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes

  • The user group oversight will be renamed suppress. This is for technical reasons. This is the technical name. It doesn't affect what you call the editors with this user right on your wiki. This is planned to happen in two weeks. You can comment in Phabricator if you have objections.

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16:48, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Suggested Values[edit]

From April 29, it will be possible to suggest values for parameters in templates. Suggested values can be added to TemplateData and will then be shown as a drop-down list in VisualEditor. This allows template users to quickly select an appropriate value. This way, it prevents potential errors and reduces the effort needed to fill the template with values. It will still be possible to fill in values other than the suggested ones.

More information, including the supported parameter types and how to create suggested values: [1] [2]. Everyone is invited to test the feature, and to give feedback on this talk page.

Timur Vorkul (WMDE) 14:09, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Looking for (ancient) Armenian speakers to help transcribe a text on Wikisource[edit]

Recently the French Wikisource community started to work on the transcription of Grammaire de Denys de Thrace. So far you might wonder what the relation with Armenian speakers? Have a look to the full title instead:

GRAMMAIRE de DENIS DE THRACE, tirée de deux manuscrits arméniens de la bibliothèque du roi. Publiée en Grec, en Arménien et en Français, et précédée de considérations générales sur la formation progressive de la Science glossologique chez les anciens, et de quelques détails historiques sur Denis, sur son ouvrage et sur ses commentateurs ; PAR M. CIRBIED, membre de la société royale des antiquaires de france, professeur d’arménien à la bibliothèque du roi. extrait des mémoires de la dite société.

That's a bombastic title if you want my opinion. 😂 However it gives a good overview of what it contains. Especially, it make transparent that the book includes a huge load of material in Armenian. So the text is basically translation and comments of a text in Armenian, itself a translation of an ancient Greek text - also provided in the book. As the French Wikisource community has limited skills on Armenian, it makes the work of transcription far more complicated. Thus this call.

We are looking for people able to make transcriptions of text in Armenian alphabet. It would be even better if we could find people with ancient Armenian, since it is expectable that the text will likely contain oddity of the past. And if we can find someone who can moreover speak French or English to interact in discussions with the community, it would be perfect. Note that the main requirement is simply being able to read Armenian alphabet and to write it in simple Unicode transcription. In particular, there is no expectation that the potential helpers would make any work on the formatting that often require to deal with locale templates.

Please be bold in spreading the word wherever you think that could reach potentially interested Armenian speakers.

With all my warm love, Psychoslave (talk) 07:27, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, @Psychoslave: I think, if you really want to find Armenian speakers (either for modern or for ancient Armenian) who might help you and your comrades on this task, then you should also create analogous topic in those Wikimedia projects where to find native Armenian speakers is expected to be more likely than here, that is — on Armenian-language projects. I think, you should consider creating similar topics on those projects:
Good luck, and best regards, Nigmont (talk) 17:07, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-17[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Templates have parameters that can have specific values. It is possible to suggest values for editors with TemplateData. You can soon see them as a drop-down list in the visual editor. This is to help template users find the right values faster. [7][8][9]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 April. It will be on all wikis from 29 April (calendar).

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21:24, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Japanese vandalism[edit]

Since about march 2021 there are some IPs vandaling this site by creating pages with nonsense and not appropriate content (might be some 200 pages up to now). An overview see User:-jkb-/check. I'm not sure how to proceed this. Global block is a nonsense as it would effect other japanese projects as well. A range block here at oldwikisource: I'm afraid the range is too big, otherwise as there is a japanese wikisource it wouldn't be such a great problem. Otherwise we can block the IPs one by one just like I did up to now. What is your opinion? -jkb- (talk) 16:17, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

See how these IPs behave after the blocks expire. We have no more administrator natively speaking Japanese. I would like to remind that pre-1926 publication does not automatically expire Japanese copyright, so limited Japanese texts belong here.--Jusjih (talk) 04:08, 9 June 2021 (UTC) (with extremely basic Japanese skill)
Yes, that's right. But you surely had a look at the stupid nonsense the IPs created and inserted here. That were no texts / documents for PD-US-1923-abroad/JA, but some tweets and spam for some discos, DJs and similar nonsense. By the way, the same range has been blocked global by Tegel, see https://wikisource.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2400:4052:2C80:4600:0:0:0:0/64 , -jkb- (talk) 09:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Logo stolen?[edit]

Where ist the Wikisource logo (bottom left) ?? -jkb- (talk) 18:21, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-18[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Problems

  • The content translation tool did not work for many articles for a little while. This was because of a bug. [10]
  • Some things will not work for about a minute on 5 May. This will happen around 06:00 UTC. This will affect the content translation tool and notifications among other things. This is because of an upgrade to avoid crashes. [11]

Changes later this week

  • Reference Previews will become a default feature on a number of wikis on 5 May. This is later than planned because of some changes. You can use it without using Page Previews if you want to. The earlier plan was to have the preference to use both or none. [12][13]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 4 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 5 May. It will be on all wikis from 6 May (calendar).

Future changes

  • Advanced item The CSS classes .error, .warning and .success do not work for mobile readers if they have not been specifically defined on your wiki. From June they will not work for desktop readers. This can affect gadgets and templates. The classes can be defined in MediaWiki:Common.css or template styles instead. [14]

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15:43, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-19[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 May. It will be on all wikis from 13 May (calendar).

Future changes

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15:10, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-20[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Changes later this week

  • Advanced item MediaWiki:Pageimages-blacklist will be renamed MediaWiki:Pageimages-denylist. The list can be copied to the new name. It will happen on 19 May for some wikis and 20 May for some wikis. Most wikis don't use it. It lists images that should never be used as thumbnails for articles. [21]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 May. It will be on all wikis from 20 May (calendar).

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13:49, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-21[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 May. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 May. It will be on all wikis from 27 May (calendar).

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17:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-22[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • There was an issue on the Vector skin with the text size of categories and notices under the page title. It was fixed last Monday. [22]

Changes later this week

  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

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17:05, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-23[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 June. It will be on all wikis from 10 June (calendar).

Future changes

  • The Wikimedia movement uses Phabricator for technical tasks. This is where we collect technical suggestions, bugs and what developers are working on. The company behind Phabricator will stop working on it. This will not change anything for the Wikimedia movement now. It could lead to changes in the future. [23][24][25]
  • Searching on Wikipedia will find more results in some languages. This is mainly true for when those who search do not use the correct diacritics because they are not seen as necessary in that language. For example searching for Bedusz doesn't find Będusz on German Wikipedia. The character ę isn't used in German so many would write e instead. This will work better in the future in some languages. [26]
  • Advanced item The CSRF token parameters in the action API were changed in 2014. The old parameters from before 2014 will stop working soon. This can affect bots, gadgets and user scripts that still use the old parameters. [27][28]

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20:02, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct News – Issue 1[edit]

Universal Code of Conduct News
Issue 1, June 2021Read the full newsletter

Welcome to the first issue of Universal Code of Conduct News! This newsletter will help Wikimedians stay involved with the development of the new code, and will distribute relevant news, research, and upcoming events related to the UCoC.

Please note, this is the first issue of UCoC Newsletter which is delivered to all subscribers and projects as an announcement of the initiative. If you want the future issues delivered to your talk page, village pumps, or any specific pages you find appropriate, you need to subscribe here.

You can help us by translating the newsletter issues in your languages to spread the news and create awareness of the new conduct to keep our beloved community safe for all of us. Please add your name here if you want to be informed of the draft issue to translate beforehand. Your participation is valued and appreciated.

  • Affiliate consultations – Wikimedia affiliates of all sizes and types were invited to participate in the UCoC affiliate consultation throughout March and April 2021. (continue reading)
  • 2021 key consultations – The Wikimedia Foundation held enforcement key questions consultations in April and May 2021 to request input about UCoC enforcement from the broader Wikimedia community. (continue reading)
  • Roundtable discussions – The UCoC facilitation team hosted two 90-minute-long public roundtable discussions in May 2021 to discuss UCoC key enforcement questions. More conversations are scheduled. (continue reading)
  • Phase 2 drafting committee – The drafting committee for the phase 2 of the UCoC started their work on 12 May 2021. Read more about their work. (continue reading)
  • Diff blogs – The UCoC facilitators wrote several blog posts based on interesting findings and insights from each community during local project consultation that took place in the 1st quarter of 2021. (continue reading)

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Tech News: 2021-24[edit]

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Recent changes

  • Logged-in users on the mobile web can choose to use the advanced mobile mode. They now see categories in a similar way as users on desktop do. This means that some gadgets that have just been for desktop users could work for users of the mobile site too. If your wiki has such gadgets you could decide to turn them on for the mobile site too. Some gadgets probably need to be fixed to look good on mobile. [29]
  • Language links on Wikidata now works for multilingual Wikisource. [30]

Changes later this week

  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes

  • In the future we can't show the IP of unregistered editors to everyone. This is because privacy regulations and norms have changed. There is now a rough draft of how showing the IP to those who need to see it could work.
  • German Wikipedia, English Wikivoyage and 29 smaller wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on 22 June. This is planned between 5:00 and 5:30 UTC. [31]
  • All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes in the week of 28 June. More information will be published in Tech News later. It will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [32][33]

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20:26, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Please provide input for a Global Conversation on 26-27 June 2021 about the Movement Charter drafting committee[edit]

Hello, I'm one of the Movement Strategy and Governance facilitators working on community engagement for the Movement Charter initiative. I'd like to invite users to participate in an upcoming Global Conversation on 26-27 June 2021 about the Movement Charter drafting committee. Feel free to comment here in any language and see the above links for details (a longer message can be viewed here, delivery was prevented by an edit filter here). Xeno (WMF) (talk) 17:04, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

phabricator T275958[edit]

The phabricator T275958 (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T2759589 = Enable interlanguage links from multilingual Wikisource to other Wikisources) has been moved to the phase testing. -jkb- (talk) 13:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-25[edit]

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Recent changes

  • Advanced item The otrs-member group name is now vrt-permissions. This could affect abuse filters. [34]

Problems

  • You will be able to read but not edit German Wikipedia, English Wikivoyage and 29 smaller wikis for a few minutes on 22 June. This is planned between 5:00 and 5:30 UTC. [35]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 June. It will be on all wikis from 24 June (calendar).

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15:49, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Today's changes have broken my editor - please help[edit]

This applies to the Page namespace only. The edit box is now much larger than my screen size and there is now (as of today) no way that I can see of altering the size. I need frequent access to the Special characters feature, and there is no way that I can see of getting that feature and the edited text on the screen at the same time, especially when the text is near the bottom of the page. Please help. Jan1nad (talk) 22:59, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

@Jan1nad: So far as I know there has not been any software changes today. New versions of MediaWiki will usually be deployed on Tuesday or Wednesday, and never normally on a weekend (unless it's a critical bugfix or something like that). Have you tried different web browsers? Or tested when logged out (to make sure it's not something caused by your user scripts and things like that)? Are all page elements otherwise the right size? In case you have turned on your web browser's page zoom function, I mean. Xover (talk) 17:22, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
@Xover: The flex attribute has been added few days ago to some parts of the interface resulting with stretching of the edit area. @Jan1nad: Maybe adding these changes to your personal commons.css would help you? Ankry (talk) 18:42, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
@Ankry: Crap. Did that patch go out already? I thought it was still pending for the next deployment. @Jan1nad: If it’s the change Ankry mentioned, I’m sure the developers would appreciate information about your web browser including version number, as well as a description of what exactly changed and what stayed the same (for example, did the scan image change size or just the text field. How did that look before?) Do you use any special settings in your web browser or user scripts, like very small or very large font size, page zoom, custom font face, or anything like that? Xover (talk) 18:54, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
@Xover: I use a bit ancient FF, but it does not matter: I have made tests on the newest Opera and Chrome and the result is the same. With non-zero flex the edit areas (header+main+footer) are streched to the full scan height. And as the scan height almost always exceeds the window size, the header and the footer cannot be seen together on the screen (also the bottom part of the main textarea is out of the screen is the toolbar area is visible). Switching between them scrolls the whole screen which is very annoying. I use the vertical scan position where the scan width is always the same fraction of the screen width, so the result is independent on font size and/or page zoom. In most standard cases about 70-80% of the scan is visible, and it can be scrolled using a mouse/touchpad when needed. However, there are edge cases like this or this. People using horizontal scan position also report problems. I think, that the size of the edit area should remain configurable as people has various monitors and they use various screen sizes. Editing on an old 1024x768 laptop is different than on a 4k TV-set. And there is a lot in between. Some screenshots: standard interface after recent changes and my interface with the CSS changes applied (note: I am using monobook & the old toolbar, but they do not matter here - the effect is independent on toolbar & skin). Ankry (talk) 21:28, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
@Ankry: Ah, thanks. That's an excellent description that should let them understand what the issue is. In terms of a solution… if the separators between the header/main/footer text fields were made into drag handles that could be resized in the vertical (only vertical) direction, and the size you set is remembered between pages, would that solve the issue for you? I ask because I believe that's already planned as the next step for this. Xover (talk) 06:17, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Do you mean that the total height of all fields will be constant, equal to the full scan height, and I can move the separators only? I think this would be OK for me. But it may be still a problem for users who do not use header/footer view or who use horizontal view. Unless the total height of the edit fields can also be changed. And what about cases when scan height changes significantly between pages? We are sometimes proofreading novels basing on their newspaper editions (eg. if no book edition exists). And the newspaper clippings vary in size (well, proofreading whole newspapers is often pointless and proofreading 4-6 column newspaper pages is very hard, so we use clippings). Ankry (talk) 08:25, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
I could be wrong, but I believe the current plan is to allow resizing the entire PRP container, including the image. With Flexbox layout the header and footer fields, if visible, should then grow or shrink proportional to the size of the main text field (the ratio is currently 1:6 I believe). The problem with horizontal layout reported on plWS is, I believe, a different one that won't be solved (I don't think) by the patch to allow resizing. Xover (talk) 08:58, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
@Xover: It's informations that you asked me: web browser - Chrome 90.0.4430.210, MediaWiki skin is Vector. Hitherto I didn't use any scripts and styles that could affect the edit area. I use horizontal scan position. Hitherto a page, edit area and scan area were autonomous and I might scrool all areas autonomous. Earlier when it was possible, I set up an edit area for 80 columns and 15 rows. Now an edit area is bigger and rigid. If you scroll just text area you'll scroll whole page. Today I use user's style and I force size of edit area using #wpTextbox1 {max-height:10em !important;} and it helped. I use Ankry's changes too, just in case. My experiences on both pl and enWS are the same. Tommy Jantarek (talk) 17:23, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
@Tommy Jantarek: Thanks! The ability to resize the text field vertically (not horizontally) is coming. I think it's still being tested but hasn't been merged yet, so exact timing for when we can expect it to be deployed is unclear as yet. As it currently stands you will not be able to resize it horizontally (make the text field narrower, to for example 80 columns). Will that be sufficient to resolve your issue or is the ability to set a specific width critical to your workflow?
Regarding the scrolling issue… Could it be that the larger size of the text field meant that it could now fit all the text in it without needing to scroll? If a text field has no overflowing text, and thus no scroll bars, and you initiate a scroll with the mouse pointer over it, the web browser will usually infer that you meant to scroll the whole page and not the text field. I was able to reproduce that behaviour with Chrome 91, but so long as the text fields had scroll bars they scrolled independently for me. Would it be possible for you to test that out by simply pasting a lot of text into a text field (so there's more text than can fit its current size) and see if that makes it scroll independently? If this is the explanation for the scrolling issue you experienced I would be hopeful the upcoming changes to enable resizing will alleviate it. Xover (talk) 05:59, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
@Xover: is the ability to set a specific width critical to your workflow? - No, I use only horizontaly view and height of textarea is important to my work.
Could it be that the larger size of the text field meant that it could now fit all the text in it without needing to scroll? - Exactly, and I tested it in the way you adviced me. I pasted a lot of text and all scrolled indepedently on beginning. Whole page scrolls just in the end of text. It seems that this height of text area is too big just for me and because of it textbox height set on 10em helped me. Tommy Jantarek (talk) 10:55, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
@Tommy Jantarek: Thanks. The scrolling stuff is web browser behaviour that we can't really control, but the good news is that it sounds like the ability to adjust the height of the text field should solve your problems and make the scrolling thing much less likely to occur. Xover (talk) 12:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
@Ankry Thank you for the suggestion, I tried the CSS - it seemed to make no difference to me. For info, I'm using Windows 10 Firefox on a laptop (no mouse) with zoom set to 110%. All I'm looking for is for the behaviour of the edit box to revert so that it can be resized vertically by dragging (again). Other namespaces (including this one) continue to behave as before. Jan1nad (talk) 18:51, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
@Jan1nad: The developers are working on a patch to enable vertical resizing. It is still in testing and not merged yet, so the timing for when it will be deployed is not yet clear. But provided I've understood your problem correctly, that change should address it when it lands. Xover (talk) 06:05, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. Jan1nad (talk) 11:23, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Server switch[edit]

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The Wikimedia Foundation tests the switch between its first and secondary data centers. This will make sure that Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to do a planned test. This test will show if they can reliably switch from one data centre to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.

Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop while the switch is made. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.

You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.

  • You will not be able to edit for up to an hour on Tuesday, 29 June 2021. The test will start at 14:00 UTC (07:00 PDT, 10:00 EDT, 15:00 WEST/BST, 16:00 CEST, 19:30 IST, 23:00 JST, and in New Zealand at 02:00 NZST on Wednesday 30 June).
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Tech News: 2021-26[edit]

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Problems

  • You will be able to read but not edit the Wikimedia wikis for a few minutes on 29 June. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. [38][39]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 June. It will be on all wikis from 1 July (calendar).

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  • Threshold for stub link formatting, thumbnail size and auto-number headings can be set in preferences. They are expensive to maintain and few editors use them. The developers are planning to remove them. Removing them will make pages load faster. You can read more and give feedback.
  • A toolbar will be added to the Reply tool's wikitext source mode. This will make it easier to link to pages and to ping other users. [40][41]

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16:32, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Batch uploads of Bodleian scans of the Red Book of Hergest[edit]

Hi all! (Also posted on Commons) I've uploaded a couple of test images in Commons:Category:Red Book of Hergest: scans by the Bodleian Library, using Pattypan. This is a 14th c. Welsh language manuscript. Can someone verify and ok the batch uploading of a further 720 images pls; I welcome any suggestions! I know they could be done on CC0, but the Bodleian Library, Oxford have requested CC-BY for these and I think we should respect that. I'll then create a DjVu of all the images on cy-wikisource; but I also need them as individual pages/images too, so that the resolution isn't compromised on individual WP articles. The text is already done, and good to go. Thanks! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 05:49, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Update - I've now uploaded the scans here, with categories. Does any one have a contact email at the Internet Archives pls, so they can pdf them? Any other suggestions? Thanks! PS The Red Book of Hergest is the most important manuscript in the Welsh Language. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 06:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-27[edit]

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Tech News

  • The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 19 July.

Recent changes

  • AutoWikiBrowser is a tool to make repetitive tasks easier. It now uses JSON. Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage has moved to Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPageJSON and Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Config. Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage/Version has moved to Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage/VersionJSON. The tool will eventually be configured on the wiki so that you don't have to wait until the new version to add templates or regular expression fixes. [42]

Problems

  • InternetArchiveBot helps saving online sources on some wikis. It adds them to Wayback Machine and links to them there. This is so they don't disappear if the page that was linked to is removed. It currently has a problem with linking to the wrong date when it moves pages from archive.is to web.archive.org. [43]

Changes later this week

  • The tool to find, add and remove templates will be updated. This is to make it easier to find and use the right templates. It will come to the first wikis on 7 July. It will come to more wikis later this year. [44][45]
  • There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Future changes

  • Some Wikimedia wikis use Flagged Revisions or pending changes. It hides edits from new and unregistered accounts for readers until they have been patrolled. The auto review action in Flagged Revisions will no longer be logged. All old logs of auto-review will be removed. This is because it creates a lot of logs that are not very useful. [46]

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17:33, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Some Muscogee-language texts to be transcribed and uploaded[edit]

I have come across http://muskogee.blogs.wm.edu/bookshelf a collection of public domain texts in the Muscogee language, but they are in PDF format and require transcription and uploading. Could someone help out with this? --Sailor Ceres (talk) 00:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

If you want to transfer it into text so you need an OCR application. I guess I saw an OCR for Muscogee, you can google it. But anyway, using it you need somebod who speaks the language well. Then it ould be easy. -jkb- (talk) 09:20, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Converting to text can be well done on Wikisource—this is what ProofreadPage is for. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 22:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Transwiki[edit]

Could anyone do this request for pages which should be imported to Multilingual Wikisource⸮ 217.117.125.83 09:12, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Done. I did not assign edits to local users where the named user exists locally as I was unsure if any conflict. Should Wp/yrk/Нюдя ӈэдаханд and Wp/yrk/Сава нум мальӈгана be renamed by dropping "Wp/yrk/"?--Jusjih (talk) 03:54, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
I categorized these pages to the proper language category, their language is Nenets languages (code yrk). Regarding dropping "Wp/yrk/": in my opinion, it should be done, because this prefix has sence for the Incubator but has no sence for the multilingual Wikisource: there is no policy and common practice here to prefix language pages with language codes, to categorize in the proper language category or its sub-category is well enough. --Nigmont (talk) 09:58, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Done moving Wp/yrk/Нюдя ӈэдаханд and Wp/yrk/Сава нум мальӈгана to Нюдя ӈэдаханд and Сава нум мальӈгана. Yet who, when, and where were both works they made?--Jusjih (talk) 23:52, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Multilingual Wikisource?[edit]

Hello, why do we have multilingual Wikisource when we have separate language Wikisources? Lightbluerain (talk) 08:07, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Lightbluerain: Multilingual Wikisource is for languages that don’t have separate language Wikisources; it’s similar to Incubator but for Wikisources. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 15:35, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Template:PD-US-1923-abroad also explains why separate language Wikisources cannot host some works.--Jusjih (talk) 23:55, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
Alright, thanks. Lightbluerain (talk) 06:52, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
In addition to the above, there are also some works which are themselves multilingual. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:55, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-29[edit]

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Recent changes

  • The tool to find, add and remove templates was updated. This is to make it easier to find and use the right templates. It was supposed to come to the first wikis on 7 July. It was delayed to 12 July instead. It will come to more wikis later this year. [47][48]
  • Special:UnconnectedPages lists pages that are not connected to Wikidata. This helps you find pages that can be connected to Wikidata items. Some pages should not be connected to Wikidata. You can use the magic word __EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__ on pages that should not be listed on the special page. [49]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 July. It will be on all wikis from 22 July (calendar).

Future changes

  • Advanced item How media is structured in the parser's HTML output will soon change. This can affect bots, gadgets, user scripts and extensions. You can read more. You can test it on Testwiki or Testwiki 2.
  • Advanced item The parameters for how you obtain tokens in the MediaWiki API were changed in 2014. The old way will no longer work from 1 September. Scripts, bots and tools that use the parameters from before the 2014 change need to be updated. You can read more.

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15:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-30[edit]

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Recent changes

  • A new version of MediaWiki came to the Wikimedia wikis the week before last week. This was not in Tech News because there was no newsletter that week.

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 July. It will be on all wikis from 29 July (calendar).

Future changes

  • If you use the Monobook skin you can choose to switch off responsive design on mobile. This will now work for more skins. If Enable responsive MonoBook design is unticked you need to also untick the new preference Enable responsive mode. Otherwise it will stop working. Interface admins can automate this process on your wiki. You can read more.

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21:11, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

אבינו[edit]

Export to hewikisource or not? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Movement Charter Drafting Committee candidates needed[edit]

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Movement Strategy announces the Call for Candidates for the Movement Charter Drafting Committee. The Call opens August 2, 2021 and closes September 1, 2021.

This Committee will have around 15 members. It is expected to represent diversity in the Movement. Diversity includes gender, language, geography, and experience. This comprises participation in projects, affiliates, and the Wikimedia Foundation.

Will you help move Wikimedia forward in this important role? Submit your candidacy here. Please contact strategy2030 at wikimedia.org with questions.

Thank you, Xeno (WMF) (talk) 14:45, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-31[edit]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Advanced item If your wiki uses markup like <div class="mw-content-ltr"> or <div class="mw-content-rtl"> without the required dir attribute, then these will no longer work in 2 weeks. There is a short-term fix that can be added to your local wiki's Common.css page, which is explained at T287701. From now on, all usages should include the full attributes, for example: <div class="mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr" lang="en"> or <div class="mw-content-rtl" dir="rtl" lang="he">. This also applies to some other HTML tags, such as span or code. You can find existing examples on your wiki that need to be updated, using the instructions at T287701.
  • Reminder: Wikimedia has migrated to the Libera Chat IRC network, from the old Freenode network. Local documentation should be updated.

Problems

  • Last week, all wikis had slow access or no access for 30 minutes. There was a problem with generating dynamic lists of articles on the Russian Wikinews, due to the bulk import of 200,000+ new articles over 3 days, which led to database problems. The problematic feature has been disabled on that wiki and developers are discussing if it can be fixed properly. [50][51]

Changes later this week

  • When adding links to a page using VisualEditor or the 2017 wikitext editor, disambiguation pages will now only appear at the bottom of search results. This is because users do not often want to link to disambiguation pages. [52]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 August. It will be on all wikis from 5 August (calendar).

Future changes

  • The team of the Wikipedia app for Android is working on communication in the app. The developers are working on how to talk to other editors and get notifications. You can read more. They are looking for users who want to test the plans. Any editor who has an Android phone and is willing to download the app can do this.
  • The Beta Feature for Discussion tools will be updated in the coming weeks. You will be able to subscribe to individual sections on a talk page at more wikis. You can test this now by adding ?dtenable=1 to the end of the talk page's URL (example).

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20:47, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

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