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ar: هذا الموقع الرئيسي لنقاش ويكي مصدر ومكان طلب المساعدة. استخدم اللغات التي تعرف، وترجم ما ترغب.
bn: এটি উইকিসংকলনের বিষয়বস্তু ও সমস্যা নিয়ে আলোচনা করার একটি কেন্দ্রীয় আলোচনার স্থান। প্রয়োজন হলে সাহায্য চাইতে পারেন। আপনি যে ভাষা জানেন তাই ব্যবহার করতে পারেন ও অনুবাদ করতে পারেন।
de: Dies ist eine zentrale Stelle, um alle Themen um Wikisource zu diskutieren, und ein Platz, um nach Hilfe zu fragen. Benutzen Sie die Sprache(n), die Sie beherrschen, und übersetzen Sie, was Ihnen gefällt.
diq: No wikiçıme heta merselan war ardış u mınaqeşe kerdış i heta cay peşti waştışiyo.Zıwanê ke şıma zanê ê zımani dı iştıraq bıkerê u açarnayış seni beno bıumısê.
el: Αυτή είναι η κεντρική τοποθεσία για να συζητήσετε θέματα για τη Βικιθήκη, αλλά και το μέρος για να ζητήσετε βοήθεια. Χρησιμοποιήστε τη γλώσσα (ή τις γλώσσες) που γνωρίζετε και μεταφράστε αυτά που θέλετε.
en: This is the central location for discussing issues with Wikisource, and the place to ask for help. Use the language(s) you know, and translate what you like.
eo: Ĉi tio estas la centra loko por diskuti problemojn pri Vikifontaro, kaj la loko por serĉi helpon. Uzu la lingvo(j)n kiu(j)n vi konas, kaj traduku kion vi volas.
es: Este es el lugar central para discutir cualquier asunto de Wikisource y es el lugar para pedir ayuda. Use los idiomas que conozca, y traduzca lo que crea necesario que otros sepan.
fr: Ceci est la page principale pour discuter de ce qui a trait à Wikisource, et pour demander de l’aide. Utilisez la (ou les) langue(s) que vous connaissez, et traduisez ce qui vous plaît.
ga: Seo an lárnionad chun téamaí a bhaineann le Vicífhoinse a phlé, agus an áit inar féidir leat cabhair a iarraidh. Bain usáid as teanga ar bith dá bhfuil agat agus aistrigh cibé rud is mian leat.
gbm: इ च मझळु अड्डा विकीसोतु दगड़ मुद्दा बारा म छुंई लगाणु खुणी, अर ठाणु मदद मंगण खुणी. इस्तेमाल कारा उ भाखा ज्व तुमु बिंगुदौ, अर बदलाखरा जू च पसंद।
he: זה הדף המיועד לדיונים העוסקים בויקיטקסט, והמקום לפנות לעזרה. השתמשו בשפות שאתם מכירים, ותרגמו את מה שאתם רוצים.
hr: Ovo je središnje mjesto za raspravljanje o temama u svezi s Wikizvorom, kao i mjesto za pitati za pomoć. Rabite jezik(e) koje znate, te prevodite što želite.
hy: Սա Վիքիդարանի հետ կապված հարցերի քննարկման կենտրոնական վայրն է, որտեղ դուք կարող եք նաև դիմել հարցերով։ Օգտագործեք ձեր իմացած լեզուն(երը) և թարգմանե՛ք ի՜նչ կամենում եք։
io: Ita esas la centrala loko por diskutar problemi pri Wikifonto, e la loko por serchar helpo. Uzez la linguo/i quan vu parolas, e tradukar quon/in vu volas.
it: Questo è il luogo principale dove discutere di Wikisource, e il posto dove chiedere aiuto.Scrivi nella lingua che vuoi, puoi anche tradurre quello che vuoi.
ja: ここはプロジェクトについて議論したり、質問がある時に尋ねたりするための場所です。お望みの言語を使って書き込んで下さい。他の人の書き込みを翻訳して下さる方も歓迎です。
ko: 이곳은 주로 위키문헌과 관련된 문제들에 관한 논의를 하는 곳이며 도움을 구할 수 있는 곳입니다. 당신이 구사할 수 있는 언어를 사용해서 마음껏 번역해 주시길 바랍니다.
nb: Dette er det sentrale stedet å diskutere saker som angår Wikisource, og stedet for å be om hjelp. Bruk de språka du kan, og oversett det du vil.
nl: Dit is de centrale plek om elk onderwerp in Wikisource te bediscussiëren en de plaats om hulp te vragen. Gebruik de taal die je kent en vertaal wat en wanneer je wilt.
nn: Dette er den sentrale staden å diskutere saker som gjeld Wikisource, og staden for å be om hjelp. Bruk dei språka du kan, og set om det du vil.
pl: To główne miejsce dyskusji o sprawach związanych z Wikiźródłami i miejsce uzyskiwania pomocy. Używaj języków, które znasz i tłumacz co i kiedy chcesz.
pt: Esta é a página principal para discutir tudo o que se relaciona com o Wikisource e também o lugar para procurar ajuda. Faça uso da(s) língua(s) que conhece, e traduza os textos que quiser.
ro: Acesta este locul central de discutare a problemelor legate de Wikisursă și locul unde se poate solicita ajutor. Folosiți limbile pe care le stăpâniți, și când doriți, traduceți ceea ce vă place
ru: Это центральное место для обсуждений, связанных с Викитекой в целом, а также место, где можно спросить о помощи. Используйте язык, который вы знаете и переводите что и когда вам нравится.
su: Ieu mangrupa loka pikeun nyawalakeun hal-hal ngeunaan Wikisource, sarta tempat pikeun ménta pitulung. Pigunakeun basa nu ku anjeun dipikawanoh, tarjamahkeun nu dipikaresep.
sv: Detta är den huvudsakliga platsen där alla typer av frågor rörande Wikisource diskuteras och där nya frågor kan ställas. Använd de språk som du kan och översätt när och vad du vill av andra.
tl: Ito ang sentrong lokasyon para pag-usupan ang mga isyu kasama ng Wikisource, at ang lugar upang humingi ng tulong. Gamitin ang (mga) wika na alam mo, at isalin ang anong gusto mo.
uk: Це центральне місце для обговорень, пов'язаних з Вікіджерелами в цілому, а також місце, де можна попросити про допомогу. Використовуйте мову, яку ви знаєте і перекладайте те, що вам подобається.
vi: Đây là trung tâm để thảo luận các vấn đề liên quan đến Wikisource. Bạn sử dụng các ngôn ngữ bạn biết, và dịch những gì bạn thích.
vo: Atos binon top cifik, kö mögos ad bespikön valikosi dö Vükifonät, e kö kanoy i begön yufi. Gebolös pükis, kelis sevol, e tradutolös utosi, kelosi vilol.
yue: 呢度係主要討論維基文庫相關問題嘅版面。你可以用你識得嘅語言留言，亦都可以幫手翻譯其他人嘅留言。
zh-hant: 這裡是討論與維基文庫有關話題和尋求幫助的頁面。使用您所了解的語言留言。您也可以在任何時候把他人的留言翻譯成您熟悉的語言。
zh-hans: 这里是讨论与维基文库有关话题和寻求帮助的页面。使用您所了解的语言留言。您也可以在任何时候把他人的留言翻译成您熟悉的语言。
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Tech News: 2020-38[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- The Wikipedia apps briefly showed pages without CSS last week. This meant they looked wrong. It was quickly fixed but cached pages without CSS were shown for a few hours. [1][2]
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 September. It will be on all wikis from 17 September (calendar).
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16:19, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Tech News: 2020-39[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There is a new tag for reverted edits. For example you can see it in the recent changes feed or in the article history. It is added to edits when they have been undone, rollbacked or manually reverted to an older version of the page. [3][4]
Changes later this week
- The number of times you can do something in a period of time on wiki is limited. This could be the number of edits per minute or the number of users you email in a day. Some users are not affected by all limits because of their user rights. They could soon see the limit even if it does not affect them. [5]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 September. It will be on all wikis from 24 September (calendar).
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21:28, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
Tech News: 2020-40[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Admins can now see links to diffs of deleted revisions on Special:AbuseLog. This uses the interface of Special:Undelete. [6]
- Editors are automatically added to some user groups. For example editors are added to autoconfirmed users when they have edited enough times and long enough. Abuse filters can hinder users from automatically getting user rights for a period of time. They can also remove rights user have. Wikis can now ask to change how long this period of time is for their wiki in Phabricator. It is currently five days. [7]
Problems
- Last year some abuse filters stopped working because of a new change. If they tried to use variables that were unavailable for that action they would fail. This has now been fixed. [8]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 September. It will be on all wikis from 1 October (calendar).
Future changes
- You can't see the language links to other language versions from the talk page or history page. They are also not shown when you edit an article. This could change. It is not decided if for example the history page should link to another history page or to the article. You can take part in the discussion in Phabricator.
- The link colours could change. This is to make the difference between links and other text more clear. You can read more in Phabricator.
- In your preferences you can choose to get different notifications on the web or by email. You will see
Appsas one of the alternatives later this week. This is because the Android and iOS Wikipedia apps will use push notifications for those who want them. You can see the preferences on the test wiki. The goal is to have push notifications on Android in October and on iOS in early 2021. [9] - You can soon put pages on your watchlist for a limited time. This could be useful if you want to watch something for a shorter time but don't want it on your watchlist forever. It now works on mediawiki.org and will come to more wikis later. You can read more and see when it will come to other wikis.
- You can see what Wikimedians think are the best new technical tools this year. You can also nominate them.
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21:24, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Wiki of functions naming contest[edit]
Please help translate to your language.
Hello. Please help pick a name for the new Wikimedia wiki project. This project will be a wiki where the community can work together on a library of functions. The community can create new functions, read about them, discuss them, and share them. Some of these functions will be used to help create language-independent Wikipedia articles that can be displayed in any language, as part of the Abstract Wikipedia project. But functions will also be usable in many other situations.
There will be two rounds of voting, each followed by legal review of candidates, with voting beginning on 29 September and 27 October. Our goal is to have a final project name selected on 8 December. If you would like to participate, then please learn more and vote now at meta-wiki. Thank you! --Quiddity (WMF)21:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Tech News: 2020-41[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- There is a new tool where you can see which home wiki users have in discussions on Meta. This can help show which communities are not part of the discussion on wikis where we make decisions that affect many other wikis.
- You can now thank users for file uploads or for changing the language of a page. [10]
Problems
- There were many errors with the new MediaWiki version last week. The new version was rolled back. Updates that should have happened last week are late. [11]
- Everyone was logged out. This was because a user reported being logged in to someone else's account. The problem should be fixed now. [12]
Many pages have JavaScript errors. You can read more and now see a list of user scripts with errors.
Many pages have Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 October. It will be on all wikis from 8 October (calendar).
- Letters immediately after a link are shown as part of the link. For example the entire word in
[[Child]]renis linked. On Arabic wikis this works at both the start and end of a word. Previously on Arabic wikis numbers and other non-letter Unicode characters were shown as part of the link at the start of a word but not at the end. Now only Latin and Arabic letters will extend links on Arabic wikis. [13]
Future changes
- You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on 27 October around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour. [14]
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16:25, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Call for feedback about Wikimedia Foundation Bylaws changes and Board candidate rubric[edit]
Hello. Apologies if you are not reading this message in your native language. Please help translate to your language.
Today the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees starts two calls for feedback. One is about changes to the Bylaws mainly to increase the Board size from 10 to 16 members. The other one is about a trustee candidate rubric to introduce new, more effective ways to evaluate new Board candidates. The Board welcomes your comments through 26 October. For more details, check the full announcement.
Tech News: 2020-42[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- Because of the problems with the MediaWiki version two weeks ago last week's updates are also late. [15][16][17]
Changes later this week
- Live previews didn't show the templates used in the preview if you just edited a section. This has now been fixed. You can also test CSS and JavaScript pages even if you have the live preview enabled. Previously this didn't work well. [18][19]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 October. It will be on all wikis from 15 October (calendar).
Future changes
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15:24, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add language template to main page template[edit]
Hello. I discovered that the letters on the page 'Template:TopTenCircle' did not have language codes. So I tried to add the 'Lang template' ({{Lang}}) to that template page, but I couldn't do it because the page was protected. So I want someone to add the template to 'Template:TopTenCircle' (For example: Special:Diff/850216 <User:TKsdik8900/sandbox 04:07, 18 October 2020>). In summary, I want to see the page 'Template:TopTenCircle' content replaced by Special:Diff/850216. I also used machine translation, so I'm sorry if there is any confusion in this text. Thank you. --TKsdik8900 (talk) 04:43, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- ar and he were a huge pain but otherwise done. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:19, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Tech News: 2020-43[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 October. It will be on all wikis from 22 October (calendar).
Future changes
- You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on 27 October around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour. [21]
- In the AbuseFilter extension, the
rmspecials()function will be updated soon so that it does not remove the "space" character. Wikis are advised to wrap all the uses ofrmspecials()withrmwhitespace()wherever necessary to keep filters' behavior unchanged. You can use the search function on Special:AbuseFilter to locate its usage. [22] - Some gadgets and user-scripts use the HTML div with the ID
#jump-to-nav. This div will be removed soon. Maintainers should replace these uses with either#siteSubor#mw-content-text. A list of affected scripts is at the top of phab:T265373.
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16:31, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Important: maintenance operation on October 27[edit]
Read this message in another language • Please help translate to your language
The Wikimedia Foundation tests the switch between its first and secondary data centers. This will make sure that Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia wikis can stay online even after a disaster. To make sure everything is working, the Wikimedia Technology department needs to do a planned test. This test will show if they can reliably switch from one data centre to the other. It requires many teams to prepare for the test and to be available to fix any unexpected problems.
They will switch all traffic back to the primary data center on Tuesday, October 27 2020.
Unfortunately, because of some limitations in MediaWiki, all editing must stop while the switch is made. We apologize for this disruption, and we are working to minimize it in the future.
You will be able to read, but not edit, all wikis for a short period of time.
- You will not be able to edit for up to an hour on Tuesday, October 27. The test will start at 14:00 UTC (14:00 WET, 15:00 CET, 10:00 EDT, 19:30 IST, 07:00 PDT, 23:00 JST, and in New Zealand at 03:00 NZDT on Wednesday October 28).
- If you try to edit or save during these times, you will see an error message. We hope that no edits will be lost during these minutes, but we can't guarantee it. If you see the error message, then please wait until everything is back to normal. Then you should be able to save your edit. But, we recommend that you make a copy of your changes first, just in case.
Other effects:
- Background jobs will be slower and some may be dropped. Red links might not be updated as quickly as normal. If you create an article that is already linked somewhere else, the link will stay red longer than usual. Some long-running scripts will have to be stopped.
- There will be code freezes for the week of October 26, 2020. Non-essential code deployments will not happen.
-- Trizek (WMF) (talk) 17:11, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Tech News: 2020-44[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- You will be able to read but not to edit the wikis for up to an hour on October 27 around 14:00 (UTC). It will probably be shorter than an hour. [23]
- Last week, links to "diffs" from mobile watchlists and recentchanges were linking to page-revisions instead of diffs. This has now been fixed. [24]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Future changes
- Since the introduction of the interface administrators user group in 2018, administrators couldn’t view the deleted history of CSS/JS pages. Now they can. [25]
- There was a problem with the Change Tags. The software would apply the "Reverted" tag to any page actions such as page-protection changes if they came directly after a reverted edit. This has now been fixed for new edits. [26]
- The Reply tool will be offered as an opt-in Beta Feature on most Wikipedias in November. Another announcement will be made once the date is finalized. [27]
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17:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Undeletion of an old logo image[edit]
File:Stw-wslogo2.png was uploaded in 2006, apparently as part of a contest, and Yann (talk • contribs) deleted it afterwards. Apparently someone else remixed it and made File:Contactus-wmcolors.png, which has been somewhat widely used since then. The deleted file would arguably be a part of the other file's history, and perhaps of the history of the project, that we would like to maintain. Administrators: can you please undelete it? Even better, can you import it to Commons with its file history?
Here are some more details. Judging by an edit summary given by Eloquence (talk • contribs), it looks like the file is currently used as part of File:Contactus-wmcolors.png (a file with 100+ usages) - it would be nice if the original file with its history remains available. It seems that the creator was Stw (talk • contribs) and the work was made public domain. [28] Whym (talk) 08:34, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Done. Good eye. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
Tech News: 2020-45[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can no longer read Wikimedia wikis if your browser uses very old TLS. This is because it is a security problem for everyone. It could lead to downgrade attacks. Since October 29, 2020, users who use old TLS versions will not be able to connect to Wikimedia projects. A list of browser recommendations is available. All modern operating systems and browsers are always able to reach Wikimedia projects. [29]
- There is a new automatic tracking category available: Pages with non-numeric formatnum arguments. It collects pages which use the
{{formatnum}}parser function with invalid (non-numeric) input, e.g.{{formatnum:TECHNEWS}}. Note that{{formatnum:123,456}}is also invalid input: as described in the documentation, the argument should be unformatted so that it can be reliably and correctly localised. The tracking category will help identify problematic usage and double-formatting. The new tracking category's name can be translated at translatewiki. [30]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 3. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 4. It will be on all wikis from November 5 (calendar).
- Administrators and stewards will be able to use a special page (Special:CreateLocalAccount) to force local account creation for a global account. This is useful when account creation is blocked for that user (by a block or a filter). [31]
- The Reply tool will be offered as an opt-in Beta Feature on most Wikipedias on November 4. This change excludes the English, Russian, and German-language Wikipedias, plus a few smaller Wikipedias with special circumstances. You can read the help page and the troubleshooting guide for more information. [32]
Future changes
- A discussion has been restarted about using a Unicode minus sign (− U+2212) in the output of
{{formatnum}}when it is given a negative argument. [33] - In the future IP addresses of unregistered users will not be shown for everyone. They will get an alias instead. There will be a new user right or an opt-in function for more vandal fighters to see the IPs of unregistered users. There would be some criteria for who gets the user right or opt-in. There will also be other new tools to help handle vandalism. This is early in the process and the developers are still collecting information from the communities before they suggest solutions.
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16:10, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Wiki of functions naming contest - Round 2[edit]
Hello. Reminder: Please help to choose the name for the new Wikimedia wiki project - the library of functions. The finalist vote starts today. The finalists for the name are: Wikicode, Wikicodex, Wikifunctions, Wikifusion, Wikilambda, Wikimedia Functions. If you would like to participate, then please learn more and vote now at Meta-wiki. Thank you! --Quiddity (WMF)
22:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Request for an interface admin to edit MediaWiki:OCR.js[edit]
(Follow-up of December 2019 topic)
Hi!
Since OCR bug has evolved positively thanks to Xover, can an interface admin edit related gadget in order to allow using new OCR when it works (and still fallback to old one in other cases), please? Needed changes are on my sandbox. --Pols12 (talk) 23:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Pols12: If your sandbox can just include only the exact text of the gadget and nothing else, then I will port it over. Please ping me when you've done this. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:44, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Tech News: 2020-46[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Future changes
- You can see reference previews. This shows a preview of the footnote when you hover over it. This has been a beta feature. It will move out of beta and be enabled by default. There will be an option not to use it. The developers are looking for small or medium-sized wikis to be the first ones. You can let them know if your wiki is interested. [34]
- From November 16 the categories will not be sorted in order for a short time. This is because the developers are upgrading to a new version of the internationalisation library. They will use a script to fix the existing categories. This can take a few hours or a few days depending on how big the wiki is. You can read more. [35][36]
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15:50, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
Update to ICU Unicode library[edit]
Starting on November 16, we will migrate the servers running the MediaWiki application servers to a new release of the ICU Unicode library (w:International Components for Unicode) (from version 57 to 63).
This unblocks some future work on upgrading the servers to a new Operating System release and will also allow the use of improved internationalisation in the future (as wikis will then be able to use features introduced by the new ICU release such as new collation definitions, and allows us to use a more recent version of Unicode in MediaWiki).
This migration will cause some unavoidable temporary user-visible impact: The sorting of some category pages will be distorted – all pages which have been updated with the new software version will use the new sorting while untouched pages still use the old sorting. As such, we need to run a maintenance script to update the sorting for old entries.
The distortions may last from a few hours (on medium-sized wikis), up to a day (on the largest wikis), and a few days on English Wikipedia. The start-time will depend upon when the migration script reaches each wiki.
This affects 149 wikis (including eight out of the ten biggest Wikipedias). The detailed list and the task for the technical implementation is at T264991.
Thank you.
Trizek (WMF) 14:53, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Tech News: 2020-47[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Listings on category pages are sorted on each wiki for that language using a library. For a brief period on 16 November, changes to categories will not be sorted correctly for most languages. This is because the developers are upgrading to a new version of the library. They will then use a script to fix the existing categories. This will take a few hours or a few days depending on how big the wiki is. You can read more. [37][38]
Changes later this week
- If you merged two pages in a namespace where pages can't redirect this used to break the merge history. This will now be fixed. [39]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 November. It will be on all wikis from 19 November (calendar).
Future changes
- The Community Wishlist Survey is now open for proposals. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals from 16 to 30 November. You can vote on proposals from 8 December to 21 December.
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15:37, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Community Wishlist Survey 2021[edit]
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The 2021 Community Wishlist Survey is now open! This survey is the process where communities decide what the Community Tech team should work on over the next year. We encourage everyone to submit proposals until the deadline on 30 November, or comment on other proposals to help make them better. The communities will vote on the proposals between 8 December and 21 December.
The Community Tech team is focused on tools for experienced Wikimedia editors. You can write proposals in any language, and we will translate them for you. Thank you, and we look forward to seeing your proposals!
SGrabarczuk (WMF) 05:52, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
Needless deletion of empty categories[edit]
I have noticed that administrator User:Koavf deleted in the past some "public domain" categories with comment "empty cat.", for example: "11:59, 25 July 2020 Koavf talk contribs deleted page Category:PD-anon-75-1996 (empty cat.)". I think that it is a bad idea — to speedy delete good (not vandal) categories having the only reason that the category is empty. The fact that a category is empty does not mean that the category is not needed any longer: the category may be empty now, but it may become not empty in the future, so there may be no sense in deleting it for now. For example, the category cited above — Category:PD-anon-75-1996 — has become needed again. It should be noticed, that the English Wikisource has not such a reason for speedy deletion as that "the category is empty" — see en:Wikisource:Deletion policy, section Speedy deletion; and in fact, they do not delete empty PD categories — see en:Category:Works by license, for example — categories "PD-old-60-1996" and "Image-PD-old-75".
So I ask: To undelete this (PD-anon-75-1996) and other PD categories. Here is the list (may be not full — maybe I missed something) of PD-categories deleted by Koavf, which must be restored, in my opinion:
Also I propose to the community (especially to admins) — do not speedy delete (or do not request speedy deletion) good categories only by the reason that the category is empty. Instead of that, if you think that the category is not needed any longer on Wikisource — nominate it on the Wikisource:Proposed deletions first and proceed usual deletion discussion. And I specifically point out, that I propose this not only for "public domain" categories but also all others — I think all categories should pass through normal discussion and only after that may be deleted. Reasonable exceptions may be, of course, but as a general rule — it should be accepted that a discussion is required before deletion of empty categories. --Nigmont (talk) 20:17, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- It's easy to ask for undeletion or to just recreate the category yourself: nothing was stopping you from doing that. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:54, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- The fact that some action may be easily corrected by some other action — it cannot justify that the first, initial action was good and must not be frowned on. Each sort of vandalism (except, may be, administrative vandalism) may be easily reverted, but it's cannot serve a reason to say that a vandalism should be forgiven and tolerated, and that vandalism is a nice thing. I don't want to say that needless deletion of categories is a some kind of vandalism, but nevertheless, needless deletion of categories also belongs to area of wrong-doing (to which vandalism also belongs to), and to some sort of abuse of admin's privileges; and it at least must be considered as a mistake, if nothing more. --Nigmont (talk) 21:19, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- There are an infinite amount of categories that we could have that could be useful about Dinka poetry or 2054 works etc. That's no justification for having a raft of empty categories. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:37, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- I didn't say about "having a raft of empty categories". I just said that you should not delete categories by your personal judgement only, but instead of that — you should deliver decision to all the community (by putting on Wikisource:Proposed deletions), and let them to decide — whether category is really not needed. Please notice, that other admins do not behave like you. It seems to me that you pose yourselves to be smarter than all other users here (including admins) put together, but it does not seem to be true that you are smarter than all others, considering your past mistakes in this year, alike — futile categorizing of languages which disturbed other users, and inept importing of author's template and involved items, after which action the normal work of wikidata for author's page was broken. So I propose you to put away your self-overestimation and be wise, and don't delete categories by personal judgement only. Those categories didn't bothered all other admins, and they didn't touch them; do you really think that they are just fools here, and only you occured to be enough intelligent to make proper decisions on those categories, without discussion? --Nigmont (talk) 22:07, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- In addition: "to just recreate the category yourself" — to do this way is wrong, because after this action the history of category is lost (at least, it is not seen for non-admins). The history of categories (the same as for other pages) is important, isn't it?
- "There are an infinite amount of categories that we could have that could be useful about Dinka poetry or 2054 works etc." — There are different kinds of probability of when and where some category may be used in the future. You proposed examples of categories which currently are useless (and were useless in the past), but for some other categories there is quite other probability of existence. For PD-categories — even if they were empty now then they were used in the past, and most likely will be used in the future, so to delete them is an unreasоnаble and futile action. For example, Category:PD-old-99-1923 is currently filled and needed. In the next year (2021) it will become empty, and you will delete it? And in 2023 year — it will be needed again... Why to delete and then recreate such categories? Why not just to leave them to remain? --Nigmont (talk) 22:51, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- I deleted an empty category. Please dial down all your nonsense and accusations. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:10, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
- There are an infinite amount of categories that we could have that could be useful about Dinka poetry or 2054 works etc. That's no justification for having a raft of empty categories. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:37, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
- The fact that some action may be easily corrected by some other action — it cannot justify that the first, initial action was good and must not be frowned on. Each sort of vandalism (except, may be, administrative vandalism) may be easily reverted, but it's cannot serve a reason to say that a vandalism should be forgiven and tolerated, and that vandalism is a nice thing. I don't want to say that needless deletion of categories is a some kind of vandalism, but nevertheless, needless deletion of categories also belongs to area of wrong-doing (to which vandalism also belongs to), and to some sort of abuse of admin's privileges; and it at least must be considered as a mistake, if nothing more. --Nigmont (talk) 21:19, 21 November 2020 (UTC)
Tech News: 2020-48[edit]
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Timestamps in Special:Log are now links. They go to Special:Log for only that entry. This is how timestamps work on for example the history page. [40]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Future changes
- The Wikimedia Cloud VPS hosts technical projects for the Wikimedia movement. Developers need to claim projects they use. This is because old and unused projects are removed once a year. Unclaimed projects can be shut down from 1 December. Unclaimed projects can be deleted from 1 January. [41]
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17:19, 23 November 2020 (UTC)