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ar: هذا الموقع الرئيسي لنقاش ويكي مصدر ومكان طلب المساعدة. استخدم اللغات التي تعرف، وترجم ما ترغب.
bn: উইকিসংকলনের বিষয়বস্তু ও সমস্যার আলোচনা করার এইটি একটি কেন্দ্রীয় আলোচনার স্থান। প্রয়োজন হলে সাহায্য চাইতে পারেন। আপনি যে ভাষা জানেন তাই ব্যবহার করতে পারেন ও অনুবাদ করতে পারেন।
de: Dies ist eine zentrale Stelle, um alle Themen um Wikisource zu diskutieren, und ein Platz, um nach Hilfe zu fragen. Benutzen Sie die Sprache(n), die Sie beherrschen, und übersetzen Sie, was Ihnen gefällt.
diq: No wikiçıme heta merselan war ardış u mınaqeşe kerdış i heta cay peşti waştışiyo.Zıwanê ke şıma zanê ê zımani dı iştıraq bıkerê u açarnayış seni beno bıumısê.
el: Αυτή είναι η κεντρική τοποθεσία για να συζητήσετε θέματα για τη Βικιθήκη, αλλά και το μέρος για να ζητήσετε βοήθεια. Χρησιμοποιήστε τη γλώσσα (ή τις γλώσσες) που γνωρίζετε και μεταφράστε αυτά που θέλετε.
en: This is the central location for discussing issues with Wikisource, and the place to ask for help. Use the language(s) you know, and translate what you like.
eo: Ĉi tio estas la centra loko por diskuti problemojn pri Vikifontaro, kaj la loko por serĉi helpon. Uzu la lingvo(j)n kiu(j)n vi konas, kaj traduku kion vi volas.
es: Este es el lugar central para discutir cualquier asunto de Wikisource y es el lugar para pedir ayuda. Use los idiomas que conozca, y traduzca lo que crea necesario que otros sepan.
fr: Ceci est la page principale pour discuter de ce qui a trait à Wikisource, et pour demander de l’aide. Utilisez la (ou les) langue(s) que vous connaissez, et traduisez ce qui vous plaît.
gbm: इ च मझळु अड्डा विकीसोतु दगड़ मुद्दा बारा म छुंई लगाणु खुणी, अर ठाणु मदद मंगण खुणी. इस्तेमाल कारा उ भाखा ज्व तुमु बिंगुदौ, अर बदलाखरा जू च पसंद​।
he: זה הדף המיועד לדיונים העוסקים בויקיטקסט, והמקום לפנות לעזרה. השתמשו בשפות שאתם מכירים, ותרגמו את מה שאתם רוצים.
hr: Ovo je središnje mjesto za raspravljanje o temama u svezi s Wikizvorom, kao i mjesto za pitati za pomoć. Rabite jezik(e) koje znate, te prevodite što želite.
hy: Սա Վիքիդարանի հետ կապված հարցերի քննարկման կենտրոնական վայրն է, որտեղ դուք կարող եք նաև դիմել հարցերով։ Օգտագործեք ձեր իմացած լեզուն(երը) և թարգմանե՛ք ի՜նչ կամենում եք։
io: Ita esas la centrala loko por diskutar problemi pri Wikifonto, e la loko por serchar helpo. Uzez la linguo/i quan vu parolas, e tradukar quon/in vu volas.
it: Questo è il luogo principale dove discutere di Wikisource, e il posto dove chiedere aiuto.Scrivi nella lingua che vuoi, puoi anche tradurre quello che vuoi.
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ko: 이곳은 주로 위키문헌과 관련된 문제들에 관한 논의를 하는 곳이며 도움을 구할 수 있는 곳입니다. 당신이 구사할 수 있는 언어를 사용해서 마음껏 번역해 주시길 바랍니다.
nb: Dette er det sentrale stedet å diskutere saker som angår Wikisource, og stedet for å be om hjelp. Bruk de språka du kan, og oversett det du vil.
nl: Dit is de centrale plek om elk onderwerp in Wikisource te bediscussiëren en de plaats om hulp te vragen. Gebruik de taal die je kent en vertaal wat en wanneer je wilt.
nn: Dette er den sentrale staden å diskutere saker som gjeld Wikisource, og staden for å be om hjelp. Bruk dei språka du kan, og set om det du vil.
pl: To główne miejsce dyskusji o sprawach związanych z Wikiźródłami i miejsce uzyskiwania pomocy. Używaj języków, które znasz i tłumacz co i kiedy chcesz.
pt: Esta é a página principal para discutir tudo o que se relaciona com o Wikisource e também o lugar para procurar ajuda. Faça uso da(s) língua(s) que conhece, e traduza os textos que quiser.
ro: Acesta este locul central de discutare a problemelor legate de Wikisursă și locul unde se poate solicita ajutor. Folosiți limbile pe care le stăpâniți, și când doriți, traduceți ceea ce vă place
ru: Это центральное место для обсуждений, связанных с Викитекой в целом, а также место, где можно спросить о помощи. Используйте язык, который вы знаете и переводите что и когда вам нравится.
su: Ieu mangrupa loka pikeun nyawalakeun hal-hal ngeunaan Wikisource, sarta tempat pikeun ménta pitulung. Pigunakeun basa nu ku anjeun dipikawanoh, tarjamahkeun nu dipikaresep.
sv: Detta är den huvudsakliga platsen där alla typer av frågor rörande Wikisource diskuteras och där nya frågor kan ställas. Använd de språk som du kan och översätt när och vad du vill av andra.
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uk: Це центральне місце для обговорень, пов'язаних з Вікіджерелами в цілому, а також місце, де можна попросити про допомогу. Використовуйте мову, яку ви знаєте і перекладайте те, що вам подобається.
vi: Đây là trung tâm để thảo luận các vấn đề liên quan đến Wikisource. Bạn sử dụng các ngôn ngữ bạn biết, và dịch những gì bạn thích.
vo: Atos binon top cifik, kö mögos ad bespikön valikosi dö Vükifonät, e kö kanoy i begön yufi. Gebolös pükis, kelis sevol, e tradutolös utosi, kelosi vilol.
zh-hant: 這裡是討論與維基文庫有關話題和尋求幫助的頁面。使用您所了解的語言留言。您也可以在任何時候把他人的留言翻譯成您熟悉的語言。
zh-hans: 这里是讨论与维基文库有关话题和寻求帮助的页面。使用您所了解的语言留言。您也可以在任何时候把他人的留言翻译成您熟悉的语言。
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Important project pages: What is Wikisource? • Wikisource and Wikibooks • Votes • Copyright • Possible copyright violations • Proposed deletions • Wikisource:Protection requests • Cataloging • Wikisource and Project Gutenberg

Languages: Language policy • Language domain requests • Language domain requests/Rules for voting • List of Wikisource Languages

Coordination: Statistics • ProofreadPage Statistics • Subdomain coordination • News

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Pre-launch discussions

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Archives

• November 2003 to January 2004
• Feb–Jun 2004
• Jul–Oct 2004
• Oct 2004 – Feb 2005
• Feb–Apr 2005
• Apr–Aug 2005
• Aug–Sep 2005 (until the move to language subdomains)
• Sep–Dec 2005 (after the move to language subdomains)
• 2006
• 2007
• 2008
• 2009
• 2010
• 2011
• 2012
• 2013
• 2014
• 2015
• 2016
• 2017
• 2018
• 2019

The whole history is here.

Importing nap files

It seems like uploaders of Neapolitan files (e.g. File:Storia vecchia - Assassina - Pergolesi - Carlo Netti .djvu) have argued that we shouldn't port them to s:nap:. First off, indexes won't work at our sister project without a local copy of the file or a version on c:. Secondly, we can't get around copyright law with magically changing "mul.wikisource" to "nap.wikisource"--that's not how copyright works and the servers are all in the United States anyway. Is there something I'm missing here? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:23, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

@C.R., Alex brollo, Ruthven, Jon Harald Søby: You seem to be the users most closely related to the issue Justin is raising here (as the uploaders, importers, and/or potential deleters of that file). (Off-topic bit: Why is the filename linked to above the only one with a page listed in the "File" namespace of napwikisource? @Koavf: Did you use that example because it was the only page in the "File" namespace there? Or is this just a weird coincidence? [Note that the rest of the DjVu pages from that work are in the "Page" namespace.]) - dcljr (talk) 04:39, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

@Dcljr: Not sure that I understand your question--it was just a rando file. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

OK, but it's the only thing listed at s:nap:Special:PrefixIndex/File:. Quite a coincidence. - dcljr (talk) 04:45, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

@Dcljr: Oh sorry. I imported the file history but didn't upload the actual file itself. I saw what was written there and thought, "That seems like hogwash" so I posted here. Seems like I was right. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:49, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I presume that the file has been wrongly uploaded locally - it should be moved to Commons. Alex brollo (talk) 04:55, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

No, it should not be moved to Commons, as noted in the License section of the file page. Files such as this should be left here (AFAIK). Note, BTW, that only some works are problematic. File:'E campagnuole.djvu, for example, is (was) OK to transfer. Looks like this will require checking every work individually. (So, obviously, do not delete anything here until that has been done.) - dcljr (talk) 05:02, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like different subdomains handle copyright differently, so this is only a problem if napwikisource is a wiki that "excludes pre-1924 works copyrighted at home" (quoting from License section linked to in my last comment). - dcljr (talk) 05:05, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Darn it… File:'E campagnuole.djvu says it's OK to transfer to Commons, not napwikisource. OK, I'm just going to stop talking now. - dcljr (talk) 05:14, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Your instinct is a good one but Commons has a double public domain test where everything has to be public domain in the States (just like all WMF projects) and where it was originally created. It's just a rule that they have there. (With the caveat that works with explicitly free licenses are also allowed.) —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:20, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

@Dcljr, Koavf: Right: it's difficult to upload File:Storia vecchia - Assassina - Pergolesi - Carlo Netti .djvu on Commons, and nap.source hasn't the hability to host files (nor a copyright policy, that ideally should be the same as oldsource). On the single cases:

• Carlo Netti wrote his first works in the first decate of the 20th century, and disappears after 1928. A victim of the war? In any case, no files on Commons before 2030 (PD-old-assumed).
• Edoardo Pignalosa (not born in 1817 as an online biography says), was active in 1898, still alive in 1959, and died "at a very old age". Files can be uploaded on Commons in 2040 (PD-old-assumed).

Please ping me if you have any doubt: it'll be easier for me to perform searches in Italian. Cheers --Ruthven (talk) 08:30, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

The take-away here is that nap.ws needs local uploads. Copyright policy and law should be no different on mul.ws than nap.ws--that's just asinine. We should have importers and uploaders at nap.ws who have the ability to take files that Commons won't accept which are public domain in the States but not public domain in their countries of origin (considering Neapolitan, Italy). —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:37, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Ah… I (think I) see that I misunderstood what you were saying in your initial post here. I thought you were acceding to the suggestion of the "uploaders of Neapolitan files" and choosing not to move the files to napwikisource. But now I see that you're saying the complete opposite: that those files belong at napwikisource because they cannot go to Commons (and the fact that they have not gone to napwikisource yet is because it's currently technically not possible to do so). I'm still not entirely sure what you meant by "we can't get around copyright law with magically changing 'mul.wikisource' to 'nap.wikisource'"… but whatever. So you're saying that someone needs to ask at Phabricator to give napwikisource the ability to accept local uploads so those files can be moved there? Doesn't that completely contradict the footnote in the "Pre-1924 works still copyrighted in source country allowed" header cell at Wikisource:Subdomain coordination? ("This column indicates whether such works are allowed on a Wikisource subdomain when considering wmf:Resolution:Licensing_policy with respect to the laws of any countries where any project content is predominantly accessed. If not allowed, ws.org hosts these works until transferring them to the subdomains when appropriate…") Although nap: is not yet in that table, wouldn't it be a "no" when it's added because, as with cs: and de:, for example, the Italian law is life of author + 70 years? I'm confused. - dcljr (talk) 11:17, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

My point is that there is no reason for this distinction (plus it's breaking several works at nap.ws). First off, copyright restrictions somehow don't vanish when you go from one subdomain to another. Secondly, even tho I am certain that almost all Neapolitan works were composed in Italy, not all of them were. Why do we act like everything in Polish was written in Poland? This is a nonsense rule. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:17, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Copyright restrictions aren't necessarily mandated by law. A subdomain can choose to have stricter rules for local uploads (or no local uploads at all) simply to reduce the workload on the community. Nemo 20:22, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

OK, well, FYI: I'm bowing out of this discussion now (since this never really had anything to do with me in the first place). - dcljr (talk) 11:58, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Copyright rules are partially established by a local community, which often takes into account the low of area where most project readers resides. Eg. de.ws works should be PD in Germany, Austria & Switzerland; fr.ws works should be pd in the country of origin (like in Commons) (but this rule is not strict so some PD-US works are uploaded there and sometimes later deleted which (and it is not good IMO to have such a "floating" policy).

However, noting, that a real community is needed to establish the policy. Esperanto Wikisource case shows that this is a problem sometimes. Ankry (talk) 07:29, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Well, this proves a real problem for things like having scan indexes which is a fundamental feature of Wikisource. If (e.g.) pl.ws exists, there should not be Polish texts here: that's the whole point of graduating to a subdomain. All that should be here is multilingual works, languages that are working to build a community, and languages that have too small a corpus to ever be a subdomain. This is a frustrating scenario and one we really should have comprehended before creating nap.ws. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:08, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikisource:News (en): September 2019 Edition

English Wikisource's monthly newsletter which seeks to inform all about Wikimedia's multilingual Wikisource.

• From the Editors: New retention standards
• How WikiLaw can support Wikisource
• English administrator confirmations for September 2019
• International administrative discussions
• Wikisource track at Wikimania 2019

Current · Archives · Discussion · Subscribe MJL (talk) 23:02, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Scanning centre in Bangalore

I'm not sure it has ever been mentioned on Wikisource yet, but the Internet Archive (thanks to Carl Malamud) has donated a Scribe scanner to Bangalore, which is being operated by a group of people who call themselves the "Servants of Knowledge" (several of which are Wikisource users, as I understand): https://archive.org/details/ServantsOfKnowledge

They already managed to scan over 800 books of which some 200 each for Malayalam and Kannada. Nemo 20:26, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-36

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can use the new termbox interface if you edit Wikidata on a mobile device. This is to edit labels, descriptions and aliases easier on the mobile pages. [1]
• The new version of MediaWiki has been deployed during the last week.
• The previously announced change of positions of the "Wikidata item" link on all wikis has been rollbacked due to unexpected cache issues. [2]
• The limit for rollbacks has been increased from 10 to 100 rollbacks per minute. [3]
• The advanced version of the edit review pages (Recent Changes, Watchlist, and Related Changes) now include two new filters. These filters are for "All contents" and "All discussions". They will filter the view to just those namespaces. However the "All discussions" filter does not include pseudo talk pages, like discussions that are in the Project: or Wikipedia: namespaces. But it will include changes happening on Project talk: or the Wikipedia talk:. [4]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 September. It will be on all wikis from 5 September (calendar).
• When you log in, the software checks your password to see if it follows the Password policy. From this week, it will also complain if your password is one of the most common passwords in the world. If your password is not strong enough, please consider to change your password for a stronger password. [5]

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 4 September at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will be able to read but not to edit Wikidata for up to 30 minutes on September 10 at 05:00 (UTC). [6]
• You will be able to read but not to edit some mid-sized wikis for up to 30 minutes September 17 at 05:00 (UTC). You can see which wikis. [7]
• You will be able to read but not to edit some mid-sized wikis for up to 30 minutes September 24 at 05:00 (UTC). You can see which wikis. [8]
• You will be able to read but not to edit Wikimedia Commons for up to 30 minutes on September 26 at 05:00 (UTC). [9]

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09:08, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Update on technical issues and other things interfering with getting the project approval and creation process moving again

Please read the update at m:Talk:Language committee#Update on technical issues and other things interfering with getting the process moving again. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Image format for Page:

Tracked in Phabricator
Bug T38597

On Page: pages, why does the

Image

tab link to images in the JPEG format? mw:Extension:PdfHandler (which is installed here) can render PDF and DjVu to either JPEG or PNG, where the latter usually has superior quality, and chooses the image format independently of MediaWiki configuration ($wgPdfOutputExtension). That is, only interface change on Wikisource is required for transition from .jpg to .png link; moreover, both links can be shown there.

By the way several months ago I developed a script showing PDF and DjVu in PNG on wiki pages, although major Wikimedia sites such as en.Wikipedia and Commons were not interested. The same thing was requested in phab:T219863 server-side, but no volunteer is willing to edit the extension. The script successfully shows <img> in PNG here on Page:s, although does not change <a href=…> for the Image tab. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 15:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Does the Volapük anthem count as a national one?

I wonder whether Hüm Volapüka should be included into Category:National Anthems? ;) --Shruggy (talk) 21:26, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

No, as the speakers of that language aren't a people. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:47, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Importing to hi.ws

Now that s:hi: is live, I'd like to understand the importing process and who is doing it, so we don't have some of the hiccups that we had with s:nap:. E.g. Who is responsible? What schedule do you have for importing? Will hi.ws have locally-hosted files? etc. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:36, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby: Are you doing this? Is @StevenJ81:? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:48, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

We need to wait for phab:T233365 to be solved before we start importing. Once that is done either I or MF-Warburg will do it, depending on who has time then. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 20:55, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby, MF-Warburg: Are you going to be importing files? There is still a huge problem at nap.ws. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:02, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Koavf: What's the problem at nap.ws? This is the first I hear about it. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 22:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby: Missing files like s:nap:Fiùra:Storia vecchia - Assassina - Pergolesi - Carlo Netti .djvu. Kind of surprised that this is just popping up now--I've mentioned it above here. Indices were moved to nap.ws but files weren't, so the indices there are broken because the files are here. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:58, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

@Koavf: Oh, right, I missed that discussion (even though I see now that I was pinged). I'll take a closer look up there. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 10:12, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Coming soon: FileExporter becomes a default feature on this wiki, making imports to Wikimedia Commons easier

The FileExporter and FileImporter extensions make moving files from a local wiki to Wikimedia Commons easier. Together they allow to move files with all their original data intact, while documenting the move in the version history. The feature originates in a top wish from the Technical Wishes survey on German Wikipedia.

The FileExporter has been a beta feature on first wikis, including this one, for a while now, and it’s available on all Wikimedia wikis since January 2019. Currently, 15,000 people on the Wikimedia projects have activated the feature, and more than 12,000 files were imported successfully with this new tool. The first version from June 2018 was improved continuously, based on feedback by its beta testers. Thanks to everyone who gave feedback!

Now, the FileExporter will become a default feature on the first few wikis, including this one. This means that as an auto-confirmed user on these wikis, you'll see a link “Export to Wikimedia Commons” on local file pages. If you click on this link, the FileImporter then checks if the file can in fact be moved to Commons, and whether any replacements need to be made. These checks are performed based on the wiki’s configuration file which is defined by the local community.

The planned date for this deployment is September 24th, 2019. Deployment on more wikis is planned for later this year. As always, feedback on this feature is very welcome on this talk page. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 08:59, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-40

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Last week's Tech News had delivery problems. Some did not get the newsletter. Some got it more than one time. The problem where some pages got it three times should now be fixed. [10]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 October. It will be on all wikis from 3 October (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 2 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The Wikimedia Foundation Community Tech team is working on a watchlist expiry feature. This means you can put things on your watchlist for a period of time instead of forever. They are looking for feedback on the questions they have.
• Special:Contributions will get the standard OOUI look. This makes it easier to use on mobile and makes it look like other Special: pages. There is a script you can use to make the form smaller if you want to. [11]

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16:49, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started

Hello,

In a recent statement, the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees requested that staff hold a consultation to "re-evaluat[e] or add community input to the two new office action policy tools (temporary and partial Foundation bans)".

Accordingly, the Foundation's Trust & Safety team invites all Wikimedians to join this consultation and give their feedback from 30 September to 30 October.

How can you help?

• Suggest how partial and temporary Foundation bans should be used, if they should (eg: On all projects, or only on a subset);

• Give ideas about how partial and temporary Foundation bans should ideally implemented, if they should be; and/or

• Propose changes to the existing Office Actions policy on partial and temporary bans.

We offer our thanks in advance for your contributions, and we hope to get as much input as possible from community members during this consultation!

-- Kbrown (WMF) 17:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

IP spam

I added an abusefilter that limits IP edits to one per two minutes, giving warning if editing faster. Hoping, this may stop recent IP spammers here. Ankry (talk) 14:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-41

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The abuse filter function now has a faster parser. This is to shorten the waiting time when you save an edit. [12]

Problems

• There is a problem in the visual editor when you copy or delete text with footnotes. It will be fixed soon. [13]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 October. It will be on all wikis from 10 October (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 9 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The Community Wishlist Survey has a new format. It will focus on wikis that typically get less support. It will probably go back to the normal format next year. It is not decided exactly how it will work this year. You can leave feedback.
• The URL of the Wikimedia wiki main pages could be changed. This is because the current URLs cause several problems. For example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Main_Page would be https://www.wikidata.org/ instead. You can tell the developers if this would cause problems for your wiki.
• There is a new technical community newsletter. You can read more about the work of Wikimedia's technical community. Subscribe to get the information in the future.
• Outreachy is an internship program for groups who are underrepresented in free and open-source software. There are seven Wikimedia projects about coding, documentation and quality assurance in the next round. Persons who fit the criteria can apply. The last day to apply is 5 November.

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15:34, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-42

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can now use more advanced editing tools on the mobile web. You can turn them on and off in your preferences in the mobile version. [14]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 October. It will be on all wikis from 17 October (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 16 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Internet Explorer 6 and 7 are no longer supported. This means the browsers might start looking a bit weird. They will not get security support. You can't read Wikimedia wikis in Internet Explorer on Windows XP or Windows versions that are older than Windows XP. This is because almost no one uses the browsers anymore. Supporting them made the wikis less secure for everyone else. [15]
• In the future section headings might have a share link. This is to make it easier to link to the section. You can read more and discuss.

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23:32, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project

Please help translate to your language

Hello. The Readers Web team at the WMF will work on some improvements to the desktop interface over the next couple of years. The goal is to increase usability without removing any functionality. We have been inspired by changes made by volunteers, but that currently only exist as local gadgets and user scripts, prototypes, and volunteer-led skins. We would like to begin the process of bringing some of these changes into the default experience on all Wikimedia projects.

We are currently in the research stage of this project and are looking for ideas for improvements, as well as feedback on our current ideas and mockups. So far, we have performed interviews with community members at Wikimania. We have gathered lists of previous volunteer and WMF work in this area. We are examining possible technical approaches for such changes.

We would like individual feedback on the following:

• Identifying focus areas for the project we have not yet discovered
• Expanding the list of existing gadgets and user scripts that are related to providing a better desktop experience. If you can think of some of these from your wiki, please let us know
• Feedback on the ideas and mockups we have collected so far

We would also like to gather a list of wikis that would be interested in being test wikis for this project - these wikis would be the first to receive the updates once we’re ready to start building.

When giving feedback, please consider the following goals of the project:

• Make it easier for readers to focus on the content
• Provide easier access to everyday actions (e.g. search, language switching, editing)
• Put things in logical and useful places
• Increase consistency in the interface with other platforms - mobile web and the apps
• Eliminate clutter
• Plan for future growth

As well as the following constraints:

• Not touching the content - no work will be done in terms of styling templates or to the structure of page contents themselves
• Not removing any functionality - things might move around, but all navigational items and other functionality currently available by default will remain
• No drastic changes to the layout - we're taking an evolutionary approach to the changes and want the site to continue feeling familiar to readers and editors

Please give all feedback (in any language) at mw:Talk:Reading/Web/Desktop Improvements

After this round of feedback, we plan on building a prototype of suggested changes based on the feedback we receive. You’ll hear from us again asking for feedback on this prototype.

Thank you! Quiddity (WMF) (talk)

07:15, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-43

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The API sandbox and help pages now show more clearly when API modules are marked as internal. API modules marked as internal were probably internal before. It was easier to miss. You should look for non-internal alternatives. [16]

Problems

• There is a translation tool we use on wikis with more than one language. For a few days it did not create pages for new languages when someone translated a page. The languages did not show in the language bar. This has been fixed. [17]
• The history and diffs can show wrong content. This is because of a cache problem. It will soon be fixed. [18]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 October. It will be on all wikis from 24 October (calendar).
• Reference Previews will be a beta feature on all Wikipedias and some Wikivoyages. It shows you a preview of the footnote when you hover over or click on the number. It has been a beta feature on German and Arabic Wikipedia since April.

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 23 October. See how to join.

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14:18, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-44

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can post proposals for the Community Wishlist Survey. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can post proposals until 11 November. You can vote on proposals from 20 November to 2 December. This year the wishlist will focus on Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikivoyage and Wikinews. You can read more about the format for this year.
• Mobile users now have a specific design for their Watchlist. [19][20]
• You can share feedback and ideas on the Desktop Improvements project. The goal is to make the interface easier to use for readers and editors without removing any functionality. The Foundation's Readers Web team will work on this over the next two years.
• OOUI now allows using px (pixels) instead of em (em) for some specific cases. [21][22]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 October. It will be on all wikis from 31 October (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 30 October at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• There will be no software changes from 19 December to 2 January. The first MediaWiki version next year will come the week of 6 January. [23]
• Gadgets and user scripts can access variables about the current page in JavaScript. In 2015, this information was moved from global variables named wg* to mw.config. The old global variables will be removed later this year. You can know more about it and tell the developers if you want to try this out on your wiki first.

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16:09, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-45

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• At Special:Contributions you could see up to 5000 edits at the same time if you edited the URL. This has been lowered to 500. This is to stop requests which break the sites. [24]

Changes later this week

• MediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry can set the default length to block a user for your wiki. You will be able to use MediaWiki:ipb-default-expiry-ip to set a different default block length for IP editors. [25]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 November. It will be on all wikis from 7 November (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 6 November at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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16:47, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-46

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• MediaWiki2LaTeX can put different pages from a Wikimedia wiki into a PDF. It can now make a PDF with around 5000 pages. Previously this was 800 pages.

Changes later this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Wikimedia will take part in Google Code-in. This is for young students who want to help with open source software. You can read more. Experienced technical Wikimedians can mentor students.

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22:02, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

multilingual wikisource

hi, sorry to bother you,

there seem to have been quite a few changes in the last few days in the page editor of the multilingual wikisource

now when i try to transcribe a page, the picture of the page is not anymore side by side with the text box, but it lies below, which is not very convenient

is there any work in progress or is it going to stay that way? would it be possible to make it again the way it was before?

thanks!

G.Musso (talk) 16:41, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

@G.Musso: Hi, I see no issues on this side. Can you show us an example? --Ruthven (talk) 12:38, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

PS: If you've turned on the Syntax highlighting (evidenziatore della sintassi) it is a bug of the software. See phabricator:T232918.

The solution is not to use this gadget. --Ruthven (talk) 12:41, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

that's what it was, sorry to waste your time! thanks! G.Musso (talk) 16:42, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-47

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• You will be able to read but not to edit some wikis for up to 30 minutes on 26 November at 06:00 (UTC). You can see which wikis. It will probably last much shorter than 30 minutes. This will also affect the centralauth database. This could for example affect changing passwords, logging in to new wikis, changing emails or global renames. [26]

Changes later this week

• You can soon vote on proposals for the Community Wishlist Survey. The survey decides what the Community Tech team will work on. You can vote on proposals from 20 November to 2 December. This year the wishlist will focus on Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikiversity, Wikispecies, Wikivoyage and Wikinews. You can read more about the format for this year.
• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 20 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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20:16, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia link from the main page of the Wikisource

Hi to all! Today I noticed a strange appearance on the main page of the Wikisource: on the left pane I see section "In other projects" having one link named "Wikipedia", which links to en-Wikipedia article w:en:Oromo language. Could any experienced users (perhaps admins) investigate — why it is so displayed, and why the Oromo language is considered so distinguished that its article is presented on the main page of the Wikisource which contains also many other languages? --Nigmont (talk) 19:46, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

That's interesting indeed. For some reason Wikidate sends me to [27] when I edit the interwiki's, but I can't find our main page there... Must be somekind of bug. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:13, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

I reported it to Wikidata. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:24, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

@Ooswesthoesbes: thank you very much for your assistance, after your reporting to the Wikidata the problem apparently has been fixed, which was also mentioned in the topic that you created there. --Nigmont (talk) 21:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, they removed a link, so it is good now :) --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:17, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-48

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• The mobile beta mode will be disabled to have less maintenance. The developers will focus on the desktop improvements project. You can turn on advanced mobile contributions mode if you want to see the categories. You could also jump back to the top. This can instead be done with a gadget or user script. [28]
• Parsoid is software we use for the visual editor, content translation, Flow and the Android app. This has been rewritten. It will come to the wikis gradually over the next two weeks. It has been tested, but there could be some diffs or previews that don't look right. If you see any you can report them. [29]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 November. It will be on the other wikis next week (calendar). This is because of holidays.

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 27 November at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will switch between the article and the talk page in a new way in the mobile view in the future. It will use tabs. This is more like in the desktop view. [30]

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16:51, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-49

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Mix'n'match is a tool to connect Wikidata items to information in other databases. It can be used to find subjects that are missing in a Wikipedia. It now has more than 3000 datasets. Before it was closer to 2000.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 December. It will be on all wikis from 5 December (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 4 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• There will be a new schema for XML dumps. Scripts and apps that use them will need to be updated. If they are not updated they will no longer work. [31]
• The {{REVISIONID}} magic word will no longer work in the content namespaces. This is for performance reasons. When you preview a page it returns "" (empty string). When you read a page it returns "-" (dash). In the future this will also affect other namespaces. The next ones are file and category namespaces. [32]

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16:58, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-50

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Wikimedia projects use Translatewiki to translate the wiki interface. You can now use WatchTranslations to watch projects there. You would get an email if there are missing translations to your language. [33]
• There is a new dataset you can use. It shows the number of editors per country per month for a number of countries. You can read the documentation and download the dataset.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 December. It will be on all wikis from 12 December (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 11 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You can test a new reference tool. It makes it possible to reference different parts of a source without repeating all information. You can test it on the beta cluster. You can see an example article. [34]

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16:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC)