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ar: هذا الموقع الرئيسي لنقاش ويكي مصدر ومكان طلب المساعدة. استخدم اللغات التي تعرف، وترجم ما ترغب.
bn: উইকিসংকলনের বিষয়বস্তু ও সমস্যার আলোচনা করার এইটি একটি কেন্দ্রীয় আলোচনার স্থান। প্রয়োজন হলে সাহায্য চাইতে পারেন। আপনি যে ভাষা জানেন তাই ব্যবহার করতে পারেন ও অনুবাদ করতে পারেন।
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diq: No wikiçıme heta merselan war ardış u mınaqeşe kerdış i heta cay peşti waştışiyo.Zıwanê ke şıma zanê ê zımani dı iştıraq bıkerê u açarnayış seni beno bıumısê.
el: Αυτή είναι η κεντρική τοποθεσία για να συζητήσετε θέματα για τη Βικιθήκη, αλλά και το μέρος για να ζητήσετε βοήθεια. Χρησιμοποιήστε τη γλώσσα (ή τις γλώσσες) που γνωρίζετε και μεταφράστε αυτά που θέλετε.
en: This is the central location for discussing issues with Wikisource, and the place to ask for help. Use the language(s) you know, and translate what you like.
eo: Ĉi tio estas la centra loko por diskuti problemojn pri Vikifontaro, kaj la loko por serĉi helpon. Uzu la lingvo(j)n kiu(j)n vi konas, kaj traduku kion vi volas.
es: Este es el lugar central para discutir cualquier asunto de Wikisource y es el lugar para pedir ayuda. Use los idiomas que conozca, y traduzca lo que crea necesario que otros sepan.
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gbm: इ च मझळु अड्डा विकीसोतु दगड़ मुद्दा बारा म छुंई लगाणु खुणी, अर ठाणु मदद मंगण खुणी. इस्तेमाल कारा उ भाखा ज्व तुमु बिंगुदौ, अर बदलाखरा जू च पसंद​।
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hr: Ovo je središnje mjesto za raspravljanje o temama u svezi s Wikizvorom, kao i mjesto za pitati za pomoć. Rabite jezik(e) koje znate, te prevodite što želite.
hy: Սա Վիքիդարանի հետ կապված հարցերի քննարկման կենտրոնական վայրն է, որտեղ դուք կարող եք նաև դիմել հարցերով։ Օգտագործեք ձեր իմացած լեզուն(երը) և թարգմանե՛ք ի՜նչ կամենում եք։
io: Ita esas la centrala loko por diskutar problemi pri Wikifonto, e la loko por serchar helpo. Uzez la linguo/i quan vu parolas, e tradukar quon/in vu volas.
it: Questo è il luogo principale dove discutere di Wikisource, e il posto dove chiedere aiuto.Scrivi nella lingua che vuoi, puoi anche tradurre quello che vuoi.
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ko: 이곳은 주로 위키문헌과 관련된 문제들에 관한 논의를 하는 곳이며 도움을 구할 수 있는 곳입니다. 당신이 구사할 수 있는 언어를 사용해서 마음껏 번역해 주시길 바랍니다.
nb: Dette er det sentrale stedet å diskutere saker som angår Wikisource, og stedet for å be om hjelp. Bruk de språka du kan, og oversett det du vil.
nl: Dit is de centrale plek om elk onderwerp in Wikisource te bediscussiëren en de plaats om hulp te vragen. Gebruik de taal die je kent en vertaal wat en wanneer je wilt.
nn: Dette er den sentrale staden å diskutere saker som gjeld Wikisource, og staden for å be om hjelp. Bruk dei språka du kan, og set om det du vil.
pl: To główne miejsce dyskusji o sprawach związanych z Wikiźródłami i miejsce uzyskiwania pomocy. Używaj języków, które znasz i tłumacz co i kiedy chcesz.
pt: Esta é a página principal para discutir tudo o que se relaciona com o Wikisource e também o lugar para procurar ajuda. Faça uso da(s) língua(s) que conhece, e traduza os textos que quiser.
ro: Acesta este locul central de discutare a problemelor legate de Wikisursă și locul unde se poate solicita ajutor. Folosiți limbile pe care le stăpâniți, și când doriți, traduceți ceea ce vă place
ru: Это центральное место для обсуждений, связанных с Викитекой в целом, а также место, где можно спросить о помощи. Используйте язык, который вы знаете и переводите что и когда вам нравится.
su: Ieu mangrupa loka pikeun nyawalakeun hal-hal ngeunaan Wikisource, sarta tempat pikeun ménta pitulung. Pigunakeun basa nu ku anjeun dipikawanoh, tarjamahkeun nu dipikaresep.
sv: Detta är den huvudsakliga platsen där alla typer av frågor rörande Wikisource diskuteras och där nya frågor kan ställas. Använd de språk som du kan och översätt när och vad du vill av andra.
tl: Ito ang sentrong lokasyon para pag-usupan ang mga isyu kasama ng Wikisource, at ang lugar upang humingi ng tulong. Gamitin ang (mga) wika na alam mo, at isalin ang anong gusto mo.
uk: Це центральне місце для обговорень, пов'язаних з Вікіджерелами в цілому, а також місце, де можна попросити про допомогу. Використовуйте мову, яку ви знаєте і перекладайте те, що вам подобається.
vi: Đây là trung tâm để thảo luận các vấn đề liên quan đến Wikisource. Bạn sử dụng các ngôn ngữ bạn biết, và dịch những gì bạn thích.
vo: Atos binon top cifik, kö mögos ad bespikön valikosi dö Vükifonät, e kö kanoy i begön yufi. Gebolös pükis, kelis sevol, e tradutolös utosi, kelosi vilol.
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Importing nap files[edit]

It seems like uploaders of Neapolitan files (e.g. File:Storia vecchia - Assassina - Pergolesi - Carlo Netti .djvu) have argued that we shouldn't port them to s:nap:. First off, indexes won't work at our sister project without a local copy of the file or a version on c:. Secondly, we can't get around copyright law with magically changing "mul.wikisource" to "nap.wikisource"--that's not how copyright works and the servers are all in the United States anyway. Is there something I'm missing here? —Justin (koavf)TCM 17:23, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

@C.R., Alex brollo, Ruthven, Jon Harald Søby: You seem to be the users most closely related to the issue Justin is raising here (as the uploaders, importers, and/or potential deleters of that file). (Off-topic bit: Why is the filename linked to above the only one with a page listed in the "File" namespace of napwikisource? @Koavf: Did you use that example because it was the only page in the "File" namespace there? Or is this just a weird coincidence? [Note that the rest of the DjVu pages from that work are in the "Page" namespace.]) - dcljr (talk) 04:39, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
@Dcljr: Not sure that I understand your question--it was just a rando file. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:43, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
OK, but it's the only thing listed at s:nap:Special:PrefixIndex/File:. Quite a coincidence. - dcljr (talk) 04:45, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
@Dcljr: Oh sorry. I imported the file history but didn't upload the actual file itself. I saw what was written there and thought, "That seems like hogwash" so I posted here. Seems like I was right. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:49, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I presume that the file has been wrongly uploaded locally - it should be moved to Commons. Alex brollo (talk) 04:55, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
No, it should not be moved to Commons, as noted in the License section of the file page. Files such as this should be left here (AFAIK). Note, BTW, that only some works are problematic. File:'E campagnuole.djvu, for example, is (was) OK to transfer. Looks like this will require checking every work individually. (So, obviously, do not delete anything here until that has been done.) - dcljr (talk) 05:02, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Actually, it looks like different subdomains handle copyright differently, so this is only a problem if napwikisource is a wiki that "excludes pre-1924 works copyrighted at home" (quoting from License section linked to in my last comment). - dcljr (talk) 05:05, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Darn it… File:'E campagnuole.djvu says it's OK to transfer to Commons, not napwikisource. OK, I'm just going to stop talking now. - dcljr (talk) 05:14, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Your instinct is a good one but Commons has a double public domain test where everything has to be public domain in the States (just like all WMF projects) and where it was originally created. It's just a rule that they have there. (With the caveat that works with explicitly free licenses are also allowed.) —Justin (koavf)TCM 05:20, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
@Dcljr, Koavf: Right: it's difficult to upload File:Storia vecchia - Assassina - Pergolesi - Carlo Netti .djvu on Commons, and nap.source hasn't the hability to host files (nor a copyright policy, that ideally should be the same as oldsource). On the single cases:
  • Carlo Netti wrote his first works in the first decate of the 20th century, and disappears after 1928. A victim of the war? In any case, no files on Commons before 2030 (PD-old-assumed).
  • Edoardo Pignalosa (not born in 1817 as an online biography says), was active in 1898, still alive in 1959, and died "at a very old age". Files can be uploaded on Commons in 2040 (PD-old-assumed).
Please ping me if you have any doubt: it'll be easier for me to perform searches in Italian. Cheers --Ruthven (talk) 08:30, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

The take-away here is that nap.ws needs local uploads. Copyright policy and law should be no different on mul.ws than nap.ws--that's just asinine. We should have importers and uploaders at nap.ws who have the ability to take files that Commons won't accept which are public domain in the States but not public domain in their countries of origin (considering Neapolitan, Italy). —Justin (koavf)TCM 09:37, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Ah… I (think I) see that I misunderstood what you were saying in your initial post here. I thought you were acceding to the suggestion of the "uploaders of Neapolitan files" and choosing not to move the files to napwikisource. But now I see that you're saying the complete opposite: that those files belong at napwikisource because they cannot go to Commons (and the fact that they have not gone to napwikisource yet is because it's currently technically not possible to do so). I'm still not entirely sure what you meant by "we can't get around copyright law with magically changing 'mul.wikisource' to 'nap.wikisource'"… but whatever. So you're saying that someone needs to ask at Phabricator to give napwikisource the ability to accept local uploads so those files can be moved there? Doesn't that completely contradict the footnote in the "Pre-1924 works still copyrighted in source country allowed" header cell at Wikisource:Subdomain coordination? ("This column indicates whether such works are allowed on a Wikisource subdomain when considering wmf:Resolution:Licensing_policy with respect to the laws of any countries where any project content is predominantly accessed. If not allowed, ws.org hosts these works until transferring them to the subdomains when appropriate…") Although nap: is not yet in that table, wouldn't it be a "no" when it's added because, as with cs: and de:, for example, the Italian law is life of author + 70 years? I'm confused. - dcljr (talk) 11:17, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
My point is that there is no reason for this distinction (plus it's breaking several works at nap.ws). First off, copyright restrictions somehow don't vanish when you go from one subdomain to another. Secondly, even tho I am certain that almost all Neapolitan works were composed in Italy, not all of them were. Why do we act like everything in Polish was written in Poland? This is a nonsense rule. —Justin (koavf)TCM 16:17, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Copyright restrictions aren't necessarily mandated by law. A subdomain can choose to have stricter rules for local uploads (or no local uploads at all) simply to reduce the workload on the community. Nemo 20:22, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
OK, well, FYI: I'm bowing out of this discussion now (since this never really had anything to do with me in the first place). - dcljr (talk) 11:58, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Copyright rules are partially established by a local community, which often takes into account the low of area where most project readers resides. Eg. de.ws works should be PD in Germany, Austria & Switzerland; fr.ws works should be pd in the country of origin (like in Commons) (but this rule is not strict so some PD-US works are uploaded there and sometimes later deleted which (and it is not good IMO to have such a "floating" policy).
However, noting, that a real community is needed to establish the policy. Esperanto Wikisource case shows that this is a problem sometimes. Ankry (talk) 07:29, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
Well, this proves a real problem for things like having scan indexes which is a fundamental feature of Wikisource. If (e.g.) pl.ws exists, there should not be Polish texts here: that's the whole point of graduating to a subdomain. All that should be here is multilingual works, languages that are working to build a community, and languages that have too small a corpus to ever be a subdomain. This is a frustrating scenario and one we really should have comprehended before creating nap.ws. —Justin (koavf)TCM 08:08, 6 September 2019 (UTC)

Wikisource:News (en): September 2019 Edition[edit]

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English Wikisource's monthly newsletter which seeks to inform all about Wikimedia's multilingual Wikisource.

Current · Archives · Discussion · Subscribe MJL (talk) 23:02, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Scanning centre in Bangalore[edit]

I'm not sure it has ever been mentioned on Wikisource yet, but the Internet Archive (thanks to Carl Malamud) has donated a Scribe scanner to Bangalore, which is being operated by a group of people who call themselves the "Servants of Knowledge" (several of which are Wikisource users, as I understand): https://archive.org/details/ServantsOfKnowledge

They already managed to scan over 800 books of which some 200 each for Malayalam and Kannada. Nemo 20:26, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-36[edit]

09:08, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Update on technical issues and other things interfering with getting the project approval and creation process moving again[edit]

Please read the update at m:Talk:Language committee#Update on technical issues and other things interfering with getting the process moving again. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Image format for Page:[edit]

On Page: pages, why does the
Image
tab link to images in the JPEG format? mw:Extension:PdfHandler (which is installed here) can render PDF and DjVu to either JPEG or PNG, where the latter usually has superior quality, and chooses the image format independently of MediaWiki configuration ($wgPdfOutputExtension). That is, only interface change on Wikisource is required for transition from .jpg to .png link; moreover, both links can be shown there.

By the way several months ago I developed a script showing PDF and DjVu in PNG on wiki pages, although major Wikimedia sites such as en.Wikipedia and Commons were not interested. The same thing was requested in phab:T219863 server-side, but no volunteer is willing to edit the extension. The script successfully shows <img> in PNG here on Page:s, although does not change <a href=…> for the Image tab. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 15:07, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

Does the Volapük anthem count as a national one?[edit]

I wonder whether Hüm Volapüka should be included into Category:National Anthems? ;) --Shruggy (talk) 21:26, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

No, as the speakers of that language aren't a people. —Justin (koavf)TCM 23:47, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Importing to hi.ws[edit]

Now that s:hi: is live, I'd like to understand the importing process and who is doing it, so we don't have some of the hiccups that we had with s:nap:. E.g. Who is responsible? What schedule do you have for importing? Will hi.ws have locally-hosted files? etc. —Justin (koavf)TCM 18:36, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby: Are you doing this? Is @StevenJ81:? —Justin (koavf)TCM 20:48, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
We need to wait for phab:T233365 to be solved before we start importing. Once that is done either I or MF-Warburg will do it, depending on who has time then. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 20:55, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
@Jon Harald Søby, MF-Warburg: Are you going to be importing files? There is still a huge problem at nap.ws. —Justin (koavf)TCM 22:02, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
@Koavf: What's the problem at nap.ws? This is the first I hear about it. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 22:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
@Jon Harald Søby: Missing files like s:nap:Fiùra:Storia vecchia - Assassina - Pergolesi - Carlo Netti .djvu. Kind of surprised that this is just popping up now--I've mentioned it above here. Indices were moved to nap.ws but files weren't, so the indices there are broken because the files are here. —Justin (koavf)TCM 00:58, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
@Koavf: Oh, right, I missed that discussion (even though I see now that I was pinged). I'll take a closer look up there. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 10:12, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Coming soon: FileExporter becomes a default feature on this wiki, making imports to Wikimedia Commons easier[edit]

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The FileExporter and FileImporter extensions make moving files from a local wiki to Wikimedia Commons easier. Together they allow to move files with all their original data intact, while documenting the move in the version history. The feature originates in a top wish from the Technical Wishes survey on German Wikipedia.

The FileExporter has been a beta feature on first wikis, including this one, for a while now, and it’s available on all Wikimedia wikis since January 2019. Currently, 15,000 people on the Wikimedia projects have activated the feature, and more than 12,000 files were imported successfully with this new tool. The first version from June 2018 was improved continuously, based on feedback by its beta testers. Thanks to everyone who gave feedback!

Now, the FileExporter will become a default feature on the first few wikis, including this one. This means that as an auto-confirmed user on these wikis, you'll see a link “Export to Wikimedia Commons” on local file pages. If you click on this link, the FileImporter then checks if the file can in fact be moved to Commons, and whether any replacements need to be made. These checks are performed based on the wiki’s configuration file which is defined by the local community.

The planned date for this deployment is September 24th, 2019. Deployment on more wikis is planned for later this year. As always, feedback on this feature is very welcome on this talk page. -- Best, Johanna Strodt (WMDE) (talk) 08:59, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-40[edit]

16:49, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

The consultation on partial and temporary Foundation bans just started[edit]

-- Kbrown (WMF) 17:14, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

IP spam[edit]

I added an abusefilter that limits IP edits to one per two minutes, giving warning if editing faster. Hoping, this may stop recent IP spammers here. Ankry (talk) 14:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-41[edit]

15:34, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-42[edit]

23:32, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Feedback wanted on Desktop Improvements project[edit]

07:15, 16 October 2019 (UTC)