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Welcome once more :-)[edit]

Hello Jon Harald Søby, welcome to the multilingual Wikisource! Thanks for your interest in the project; we hope you'll enjoy the community and your work here.

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The Community Portal lists tasks you can help with if you wish. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me on my talk page!

--Zyephyrus (talk) 23:35, 19 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks Zyephyrus! Even though I've been a Wikimedian for twelve years, I'm a complete newbie to Wikisource, so please let me know if I make any mistakes! Jon Harald Søby (talk) 07:49, 20 May 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Erzya-language pages[edit]

Hello, Jon Harald Søby! Thank you for participation in editing pages of Erzya language — I saw your edits in Index:Эрямос совамо (Т. А. Раптанов, 1936).djvu. Finno-ugric languages, to which belongs the Erzya too, are in the current time neglected in general, with rare exceptions of those languages which are dominating, and state, languages in their countries (such languages are: Hungarian (Magyar), Finnish (Suomi), and Estonian (Eesti)). So it is good that somebody contribute any of their help to Finno-Ugric languages. I checked and validated pages which you proofread, fixed some errors but those errors are not any problem — as I see from your userpage that you must be more accustomed to latin-based alphabets, and cyrillic might be troublesome to you, so don't worry that you did mistakes on Erzya pages — anyway I check, fix and validate as required. And on noticing that you earlier proofread pages on Sami language (which is also Finno-Ugric), I am just curious: your editing Finno-Ugric pages — is just casual event during your work on Wikimedia, or you have some specific (maybe professional) interest to those language family? Best regards, Nigmont (talk) 21:07, 11 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Nigmont! I just did those two pages for fun and to surprise you, hehe. Working on small languages on a multilingual project like this one, there usually isn't that much activity from anyone else, so it's usually a nice surprise to see someone else to do something (unless they screw up way too much and create more work, which I hope I didn't!). I know how to read the Cyrillic alphabet, but don't know any languages actually written with it, so I don't type in it very often at all.
As for Sami: In my job at Wikimedia Norge, I am a project manager for a project to improve the Northern Sami Wikipedia and get more Sami content to Wikimedia projects. However, my editing here with this account (as opposed to with my work account) is just on a volunteer basis.
But that brings me to another question – are you active in the Erzya and/or Moksha communities outside of Wikisource? We are planning a multilingual Sami editing contest around December–January, and are very interested in getting especially other Uralic languages involved. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 21:34, 11 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, your surprise was truly marvellous and fun to me too, so great thanks for that. :) And thanks that you help to Sami-language projects, as for me — it's should be esteemed as a great job.
To answer your question: are you active in the Erzya and/or Moksha communities outside of Wikisource?, and your proposal to visit your contest: Sorry, but no. I do all my work on Erzya and Moksha languages not on professional basis, in the life outside the Wikimedia I'm just an IT engineer (in one of software companies in Moscow, Russia), and my work is not connected to languages, linguistics, or any support of national minorities, and here I'm just a volunteer, working at my free time and trying to help mordvinic languages to survive. Also I don't participate in any Erzya or Moksha communities, currently I do all my work here alone. At my soul disposition I am more prone to be alone than in company of people, and more inclined to loneliness than to large gatherings of people, so I usually don't seek any additional communities, preferring solitude. If you are seeking additional participants for the contest, I may propose to contact to another participant of Wikimedia working on Uralic languages — User:Erzianj jurnalist (шумбрат, Андю :) ), he is an administrator and active user of the Erzya Wikipedia, and also is an activist of revival of Erzya language, and invloved in journalism related to Erzya, and as far as I know he is also active participant of different gatherings related to Uralic-language events. Perhaps he would agree to visit your contest. But as of me — sorry, I should decline, currently I am not ready to that. Good luck, and best regards. :) --Nigmont (talk) 22:29, 11 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Shumbrachi=Hello, guys! Many thanks for interest in erzya language too! Our community ( Wikimedians of Erzya language User Group (UG EZY)) is not so numerous, but we are ready to participate in competitions. We will be glad to be invited! --Erzianj jurnalist (talk) 11:24, 12 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, I forgot to actually reply here. That is very good, Erzianj jurnalist, I will be in touch a bit later when we have more details. In the meantime, please don't hesititate to ask if there's something you think I can help with! Jon Harald Søby (talk) 07:08, 15 August 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]



As I alredy noted to our deserved inviter, inviting accounts which attempt to advertise some blog, viagra, cialis or something else, or declaring to be various persons, etc. during the first minute after account creation is just needless pumping of the database as such (most likely) automated accounts will never even read the invitation.

An admin can check in the abuselog what the user attempted to do (link available at the top-right of - likely empty - user contribution page). AFAICS about 90-95% of new accounts created in this wiki are spambots. Much more than in other wikisources. My suggestion is just to check the AbuseLog before inviting them. Also, because sometimes the users just need help after hitting by false positives in AbuseFilters; but these are rare cases.

I have just reported a bunch of our spambots to stewards and they have found few hundred other, related spambot accounts CU'ing those. Ankry (talk) 18:58, 20 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ankry: Aha, I wasn't aware of those abusefilters. Duly noted – from now on I think I will only welcome those who actually make an edit (good edits of course), not everyone. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 20:02, 20 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hej! :) It would be most ideal if pages like Page:Hærramek ja bæsstamek Jesus Kristus ođđa Testament.pdf/798 are also in a subcategory of Category:Davvisámegiella. That makes maintenance and, in case a subdomain is created, exporting a lot easier. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 09:43, 28 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ooswesthoesbes: True! Is there a best practice when it comes to that? I think it would be nice to have all Northern Sami pages in one category (perhaps a hidden one?), and preferrably categorized by book as well. I would prefer not to use Category:Davvisámegiella directly for everything, since it would quickly become cluttered and hard to navigate … Jon Harald Søby (talk) 21:37, 28 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd advise you to keep a clear categorization from the start, which can also be used on the separate subdomain. For example, create a category for the indexes (of course translated into Sami), and a category for proofread pages, for unchecked pages, etc. Putting everything in one category doesn't really have a benifit, as the systems are adapted to work with subcategories as well. As long as all pages (preferably including templates and talk pages) eventually end up in the main category (Davvisámegiella), it should work just fine :) Categorizing by book can also be helpful; those categories can then be put as subcategories of a category:Books and a category for the author of the work. And if you really like creating categories, you can also make categories on genre or year of publication. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:34, 29 September 2018 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Images in many cases (maybe in most cases?) should be uploaded here, not to Commons.

Book illustrators are often younger that writers, so their works generally become PD-old-70 later than the book text. Ankry (talk) 06:06, 29 April 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Northern Sami Wikisource[edit]

Hi Jon Harald Søby,

Because of the relatively high number of Northern Sami pages at Multilingual Wikisource, I have submitted a request for a Northern Sami Wikisource at Meta-Wiki, in the spirit of 2019 being the International Year of Indigenous Languages. I am notifying you of this because you have contributed to Northern Sami pages here in the past. Would you be willing to support this request (I have linked to it above) and also to help with adding a list of contributors? The request will hopefully be verified as eligible faster that way.

Thanks, DraconicDark (talk) 15:17, 11 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi DraconicDark!
Here is the full list of contributors:
  • Me
In my professional capacity at Wikimedia Norge (we are Civil Society Partners for the International Year of Indigenous Languages, as you can see on their website), I'm working on a project to bring more Sami content onto Wikimedia projects, which has also carried over to my volunteer work. In my volunteer capacity I am also part of the language committee which approves the proposals for new language projects, and I'm afraid the Northern Sami Wikisource is nowhere near meeting our criteria – like I said, I'm the only contributor (although there have been a few others, years ago), and I'm not a native speaker (and the contributors from years ago weren't either). The lack of a native Northern Sami Wikisource community is a major obstacle to getting this proposal approved, and not something that we can realistically expect to achieve in the next several years – we (WMNO) are working hard to get more contributors to the Northern Sami Wikipedia, but even that is an uphill struggle. Recruiting native-speaker volunteer contributors to Wikisource, which is a much less well-known and visited project than Wikipedia, is just not going to happen any time soon, I'm sorry to say.
But I do thank you for the effort and the recognition of the work I've done here so far, it is very nice to hear. And I'm sorry to sound so pessimistic – I don't intend to be pessimistic, but I do think we have to be rational and realistic about it. And after all, the content is safe and sound here in the Multilingual Wikisource, and there is absolutely no rush to need to move it elsewhere. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 22:47, 11 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jon Harald Søby: I understand. Well, the request is there, and if the project ever reaches a stage where it does meet the requirements, it can be acted on. It's fine if the request sits there for a while; there's a lot of requests, eligible or not, that have been there for years. DraconicDark (talk) 00:53, 12 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi @Jon Harald Søby:, may you please move (Category:हिंदी) to (Category:हिन्दी) with the help of your bot? It will be a great help for us. Thanks. --अजीत कुमार तिवारी (talk) 04:07, 11 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@अजीत कुमार तिवारी: Yes, sure! But may I ask what's the difference? "हिन्दी" is the form used in interwiki links to the Hindi-language projects, so I would have assumed that should be correct? But I also see that the Hindi Wikipedia uses "हिन्दी" for its article on the Hindi language. Should the interwiki name be changed too, perhaps? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 07:51, 11 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jon Harald Søby: there is no such difference between हिंदी & हिन्दी, however, every Hindi wikiproject is signified by हिन्दी as its native language category. We wish that all pages or index having (category:हिंदी) be moved to (category:हिन्दी), just to keep things under a unified category. No need to change interwiki name, just transferring or redirecting pages under category हिंदी to category हिन्दी will be enough. --अजीत कुमार तिवारी (talk) 13:05, 11 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@अजीत कुमार तिवारी: I will get to this after Wikimania (like in a couple of days), have been a bit busy here. :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 09:41, 18 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jon Harald Søby: it's fine. Enjoy Wikimania for now. --अजीत कुमार तिवारी (talk) 09:52, 18 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi. Just want to confirm: You're finished exporting Neapolitan to its new wiki, right? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:13, 23 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@StevenJ81: Yup! There might be a few pages missing, but I wrote a script for Koavf (he said he would delete the pages from here) that automatically checks if something has been transferred, just to be safe. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 17:34, 23 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good. Thanks. Will mark it that way on the new wiki creation page at Incubator. StevenJ81 (talk) 18:30, 23 August 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Community Insights Survey[edit]

RMaung (WMF) 14:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

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Reminder: Community Insights Survey[edit]

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Thank You[edit]

Thank you very much from our Hindi Wikisource community for exporting files to its own language subdomain. Please export this also. I have exported it to commons. Thanks again. :) --अजीत कुमार तिवारी (talk) 13:02, 8 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi @Jon Harald Søby: just a gentle reminder, Please export this also. I have exported it to commons. Thanks again. :) --अजीत कुमार तिवारी (talk) 12:51, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@अजीत कुमार तिवारी: Thanks for the reminder, it's done now. I was waiting until I had finished everything else, but now that's all done. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:56, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jon Harald Søby: thanks for everything. Can you tell why we need to put {{gap}} before every paragraph? Here we were just doing two enters and it was working well. --अजीत कुमार तिवारी (talk) 13:12, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@अजीत कुमार तिवारी: That's controlled in MediaWiki:Common.css. The relevant portions for that part is what you will find in line 64–76 in that page (click edit to see line numbers). An interface administrator, when you elect one, will need to put that into hi:MediaWiki:Common.css – I don't have permission to do that even as a new wiki importer. I would recommend against putting {{gap}} to make it look right, as that will look wrong again when that is added to Common.css. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 13:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok. I got it. Thanks. :) --अजीत कुमार तिवारी (talk) 13:53, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi please block Special:Contributions/ x-wiki spammer. 大诺史 (talk) 16:40, 8 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@大诺史: Sorry I was unavalaible, अजीत कुमार तिवारी fixed it. :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 20:11, 8 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

One more index to export. And few pages catagorized in Category:भोजपुरी (@अजीत कुमार तिवारी: maybe they need review). Ankry (talk) 18:42, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ankry: Thanks for pointing out inappropriate items in Category:भोजपुरी. @Jon Harald Søby: kindly export this index also. --अजीत कुमार तिवारी (talk) 19:00, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@अजीत कुमार तिवारी: I think, more will be found.
@Jon Harald Søby: Any idea how to find main ns pages with titles in devanagari script? I think, they all need to be reviewed. Ankry (talk) 19:42, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@अजीत कुमार तिवारी, Ankry: Gyan Kosh vol. 1 is done. As for mainspace pages, I think Special:AllPages/ऀ should list everything in the Devanagari script, but I'm not able to tell whether the pages are Hindi or another language. I hope अजीत कुमार तिवारी (and hopefully some more people) can go through them and add Category:हिन्दी where it is appropriate, and then I can export them. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 19:48, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jon Harald Søby: all peges related to Special:AllPages/ऀ are Hindi but inappropriate. You can delete it. --अजीत कुमार तिवारी (talk) 20:06, 10 October 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Kildin Saami[edit]

Hej, vi har varit i kontakt tidigare i andra Wikimedia-sammanhang. Jag förstår inte riktigt hur de olika språkversionerna i Wikicource är tänkt att fungera. Ska det bara finnas texter på tyska i de:Wikisource eller på engelska i en:Wikisource? Vad gör man då med flerspråkiga källor och hur hittar man tillbaka källor om man är intresserad av flera språk? De olika nationelle sidor har väl olika kategorier och benämmningar. Och så hittade jag kildinsamiska källor här under huvudsidan: Category:Кӣллт_са̄мь_кӣлл. Det finns flera källor som jag skulle kunna lägga under kildinsamiska (och andra samiska språk). Men jag förstår inte riktigt hur. Michael.riessler (talk) 12:16, 13 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hei Michael.riessler! De forskjellige utgavene av Wikisource er, som Wikipedia, basert på språk og ikke nasjonalitet. Når et språk har mange nok aktive bidragsytere her på den flerspråklige Wikikilden så kan det få en egen utgave av Wikisource, men det er vel ikke så aktuelt for samiske språk i noen nær fremtid.
Det er jeg som har lagt inn tekstene på kildinsamisk, og gjort det meste her for nordsamisk.
For verk som er på flere språk kan det gjøres på flere måter. Hvis det er to språk på samme side så kan det legges ut her på den flerspråklige Wikisource, selv om ett av språkene allerede har en egen utgave. Hvis de to språkene har hver sin side (se eksempel på Index:Lov om reindriften av 12. mai 1933.pdf – her er annenhver side på norsk og nordsamisk) så kan man legge tekstene både her og på den Wikisource-utgaven som det andre språket tilhører, og så bruke malen {{iwpage}} for å koble dem sammen.
Disse kildene du har på kildinsamisk og andre samiske språk, er de tilgjengelige som PDF-filer? I så fall bør de lastes opp på Commons, og så kan vi opprette indekssider for dem her for å begynne å transkribere. Jeg hjelper gjerne til med detaljene. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:23, 13 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fennougrica har digitaliserat flera böcker på kildinsamiska och andra minoritetsspråk från Ryssland, som har en fri licens och är nedlastbara som PDF. Michael.riessler (talk) 12:33, 13 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Michael.riessler: Javisst, det var der jeg fant de bøkene jeg har lastet opp i Category:Кӣллт са̄мь кӣлл. 👍 Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:35, 13 November 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hej igen! Tyvärr har jag aldrig riktigt kommit på gång med Wikicource (ännu). Men den här boksidan skulle nog vara bra att ha där. --Rießler (talk) 09:19, 25 February 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hej! Det tog mig jättelänge. Men nu är jag på gång med mina gamla kildinsamiska texter. Här finns två versioner av Matteusevangeliet som Arvid Genetz översatte.

Jag håller på att skriva en artikel. För den har jag redan skapat provlästa versioner av tre kapitel ur båda böckerna som jag kan genast ge till Wikisource. OCR:en för boken i kyrillisk stavning har annars mycket hög kvalitet, det blir lätt att provläsa den.

Kan du hjälpa att lägga originalsidorna till Wikisource och skapa de relevanta sidorna? Tyvärr förstår jag inte riktigt hur jag måste göra. Inte heller hitter jag bra anvisningar. --Rießler (talk) 09:39, 26 February 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion request[edit]

Hi @Jon Harald Søby:! Hope you are doing well. Please delete all pages related to (मानसरोवर.djvu). I have deleted some but its better to delete with your bot. Thanks. --अजीत कुमार तिवारी (talk) 14:21, 30 April 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@अजीत कुमार तिवारी: Done Jon Harald Søby (talk) 11:40, 4 May 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi @Jon Harald Søby:, hope you are good with your health. If you have some time, please delete all pages related to (Index:Godan - Premchand - Hindi Novel.pdf). If your bot could help please do it. Thanks. --अजीत कुमार तिवारी (talk) 08:58, 20 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@अजीत कुमार तिवारी: Are you sure? I can't find any of the pages in the Hindi Wikisource, so wouldn't the content be lost? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 09:03, 20 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Jon Harald Søby:, actually we got two much better source file than this one, that's why we deleted it. We have already proofread one of them so we won't lose any such content. --अजीत कुमार तिवारी (talk) 02:25, 21 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@अजीत कुमार तिवारी: Ah ok, I understand. Will delete shortly! Jon Harald Søby (talk) 10:16, 21 July 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to handle translation from English to Gaelige?[edit]

Hi Jon Harald,

Grabbing you as a recently active admin here…

I have a user trying to add their own translation of James Joyce's Dubliners from English into Gaeilge (Irish Gaelic) here, and somehow ended up on English Wikisource by mistake. They are a new user (almost no wiki experience) and I am attempting to help them, but I know little about how mulWS is set up and how to handle a user translation is beyond me. Any chance I could tag you in to help the person get set up here?

Their translation is currently in PDF form (the upload page sent them to enWS for some reason), but they are interested in wiki-fying it. And there's a good scan of the English original on Commons if the setup is using ProofreadPage for the translation as we do on enWS.

The user and discussion in question is at s:en:User_talk:Leibide#Your_recent_uploads and the subsequent threads. --Xover (talk) 18:59, 7 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Xover! I haven't really dealt too much with translations in Wikisource (outside of this work project) – it's one of those features of Wikisource that has a lot of promise, but is a bit underutilized. So I don't think there's a good "framework" in place for it.
For translations done on the English Wikisource – and presumably other languages – where ProofreadPage is used for comparing translations, it is rather straightforward. You create an index page for the original file, and use ProofreadPage to translate instead of transcribing. That can be done here too, of course, but it introduces one limitation that I'm only now realizing: If we do this here in the multilingual Wikisource, we can only do it for one language, since there can only be one index page per file. So if Leibide creates their translation into Irish here, nobody else can use the same method to translate the same file into one of the other languages hosted here.
That said, however, I do think that that method would be the easiest way forward, and if someone else is to translate that same exact work into another language here, we'll deal with that when the time comes. After all, it is theoretically possible but still unlikely that that would happen any time soon.
I'd be happy to help set up the index page and create some templates that can indicate that it is for a translation and not merely a transcription, since it doesn't appear that we have templates like that here yet. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 00:43, 8 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! I've filed the multiple translations issue as phab:T259963 as it actually dovetails with a related problem I've run into at enWS. It also tracks back to a bigger issue regarding how ProofreadPage data is stored (see e.g. phab:T192866) so I'm hoping all of them can get handled in one larger push.
In any case, I've set up a basic Index: for Leibide and posted some information to get them started on their user page (please check that I didn't mess anything up). I'll try to keep an eye on things in case I'm needed for anything, but barring pings I don't check my watchlist here very often (enWS is my home wiki these days). And thanks again for stepping up here; I was starting to feel really bad that I hadn't been able to help this new user out better. --Xover (talk) 09:55, 8 August 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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