Category talk:Literary Chinese

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Why here?[edit]

@Bobo alcazar, Ooswesthoesbes: I'm wondering why this category is being ramped up here at Multilingual Wikisource. Ordinarily, policy would be that content in Literary Chinese should be included in Chinese Wikisource, even though a Wikipedia exists in this language. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:29, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

In general, I do not judge such things unless someone brings it up, or the specific language lacks an ISO-code. As a result, it has stayed here. I suggest you go to the proposed deletions and propose to move its contents to the normal Wikisource. --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 08:39, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Oh,I'm sorry for that I don't explain it. I think that consensus is unreasonable entirely! It means I disagree with it.I tried to tell meta-wiki,but my friends tell me that I shall build it directly. Please tell me what shall I do,Thank you very much! nd I will do.

--Bobo alcazar (talk) 09:30, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

@Bobo alcazar: What is the exact reason of refusal to keep the texts in Chinese Wikisource? you did not participate any discussions there. Ankry (talk) 09:51, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Yes,I didn't. Recently ,I'm really busy. I will write a passenger to say it. And as I didn't participate any discussions in Chinese Wikisource,in fact, I discuss it in wikiQQgroup. Most people think it's a consensus which be determined abput ten years ago, it's not neceessary to change it. I think they drift along and give up long-term interests,so I didn't discuss more.

--Bobo alcazar (talk) 10:00, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

@Bobo alcazar: But what consensus you are talking about? Ankry (talk) 13:25, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Let the (Mandarin) Chinese Wikisource merger others in Chinese languages.--Bobo alcazar (talk) 14:30, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

@Jusjih: I think we're having some language difficulties here, so I hope you can help. In general, policy suggests that "Literary Chinese" content should be incorporated into Chinese Wikisource. But for the moment, I'm not looking to enforce that. Instead, I'd simply like to understand why Bobo alcazar decided he wanted to build a "Literary Chinese Wikisource" project here and not take it to zhsourcewiki. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:48, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

I'm so sorry that because I'm poor in Enflish,so,what does"But for the moment, I'm not looking to enforce that. "?Thank you very much...

And the reason of building it here is simple. Every other languages which are experimental is here,are they?--Bobo alcazar (talk) 13:50, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
@C933103, Liuxinyu970226: (looking for translation help here)
We would normally assume that Chinese Wikisource would host documents written in Literary Chinese. Why are you creating a test here, instead of publishing documents at Chinese Wikisource? StevenJ81 (talk) 15:05, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Good point, sometimes Multilingual Wikisource can store Chinese texts, if and only if they are not in Publich Domain in the sinophone areas but PD in the United States, but I believe that pages in this category never match this special case, so I humbly request @Jusjih: to move these back to s:zh:. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:21, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
  1. @Liuxinyu970226: Actually those text are already at s:zh, just like 論語/全覽 on this mul.ws site is actually the same as zh:論語/全覽 other than format difference, so no action would be needed.
  2. Now back to topic, let me try to write it in Chinese to the user: @Bobo alcazar: 現在各個維基文庫,習慣上都是會把古代語言的文件放在現代語言後裔的維基文庫裡面。是不是有什麼特別的原因讓你認為文言文文件不應該放進中文維基文庫嗎?C933103 (talk) 17:10, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
@C933103: I think we should better try merging histories before deletion here, unless if these contributions (I mean, on this mulwikisource) are spam only. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 23:10, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

@C933103:您理解錯了。文言的存在並不是現代漢語的古代形式。現代漢語的古代形式是中古漢語和上古漢語。文言對于東亞相當於拉丁語對於歐洲,你們會把拉丁語并入意大利語系的其他語言嗎?--Bobo alcazar (talk) 02:37, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@StevenJ81, Liuxinyu970226: Translation of what the user wrote above:

Literary Chinese is not the ancient form of Modern Chinese. Ancient form of Modern Chinese are Middle Chinese and Old Chinese. The role of Literary Chinese to East Asia is like the role of Latin to European countries. Would you merge Latin into other Italian languages? -- Bobo alcazar

C933103 (talk) 03:21, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
@Bobo alcazar, C933103: Please see this 2010 RFL request carefully, the Millosh already decided that the lzh contents should be written in zhwikisource. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:25, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Reasons for denial from that 2010 request aren't particularly strong against Bobo alcazar's rationale, especially when one of the reason mentioned back then was that Modern Chinese being a direct descendant to Literary Chinese while it isn't the case for Literary Chinese usage outside Chinese-speaking area that Bobo alcazar used as their rationale. C933103 (talk) 03:55, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

@C933103: I have said that I dis agree with it. I will write letter if I have free time.--Bobo alcazar (talk) 03:28, 14 October 2018 (UTC) And thank you to give me this URL, I will express my idea there. And I think there's no need to talk more here. Thank all of you for talking withme! Thank you for spending time here to develop our Wikisource! Thank @StevenJ81:@Ooswesthoesbes:@Ankry:@Liuxinyu970226:@C933103: you very much!!--Bobo alcazar (talk) 06:31, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

@Bobo alcazar: 那連結內的討論已經在八年前關閉了,有什麼要說可以在這裡或者meta:Talk:Language committee或者另外再開新的請求說。C933103 (talk) 10:12, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
所以Bobo alcazar您是想從中文維基新聞將文言文內容拆分出來么?--Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:31, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
wikisource吧C933103 (talk) 21:26, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@C933103, Bobo alcazar: I created m:Requests for new languages/Wikisource Literely Chinese, please continue discussing the matters on that Meta page, to make this talk page cleanup-able. thx --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 10:56, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Should be m:Requests for new languages/Wikisource Literary Chinese, and I have moved it on Meta. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:42, 29 October 2018 (UTC)