User talk:Angela

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Welcome back Angela![edit]

Great essay.

You might want to add (middle paragraph): "and build subcommunities for those who speak each language."

How long did it take you to write something like that? :-) Dovi 05:59, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion and the welcome back. I'm not sure how long it took. I basically looked at my contributions here and worked out the history based on that. It would be good to have an IRC log of the #wikipedia channel from November 2003 to know more about the history of Wikisource since I vaguely remember Brion saying something along the lines of "here, have a wiki" one day when he created the sources.wikipedia.org wiki in response to being fed up of people using the Pashto wiki. I've just found the nostalgia Wikipedia has the first revision of the "Wikipedia commentary/Project Sourceberg" page which I thought had been lost when the page moved to Meta, so perhaps more history of the project will still be found. :) Angela 15:34, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikisource hungarian environment[edit]

Hi! I have got some questions.

  1. This Wikisource page contains MediaWiki messages and their hungarian translation, but not all of the messages are translated. What do you think, if I start to edit some messages, for example this, than it would be efficient only for Hungarian Wikisourceans (that would be great), or for every Wikisource user (that would be wrong).
  2. More generally, where can I find the page containing MediaWiki messages wich I would translate, then hungarian wikisource environment would be hungarian? My problem is that Wikisource has no multi-language stuff (as I know), but for me some environment elements (toolbox captions, settings help messages etc.) appears in hungarian, but some not. So I think there must be a page with special hungarian mediawiki messages, but I don't know if this would be that.
  3. More more generally, how can I find an exact and detailed help page about translating environment elements (for administrators)? If you can't help me, please tell me whether who could answer my questions.

Thank U v.m.: Gubbubu 6 July 2005 09:21 (UTC)

  1. If you edit MediaWiki:Accesskey-diff/hu, it will only affect users on Wikisource who have set their language to Hungarian in Special:Preferences. (the /hu on the end shows that). It won't have any effect on the Hungarian Wikipedia.
  2. Special:Allmessages should contain links to all the messages to translate but you have to set Hungarian in your preferences in order to see the links to the Hungarian version. I can't seem to find a way to see any language other than the one in preferences. If you want to see the English version, you need to log out or set English in your preferences and go to Special:Allmessages.
  3. There are no great help pages on this unfortunately. m:Help:MediaWiki namespace and w:en:Wikipedia:MediaWiki namespace are the only ones I know about.
Angela 6 July 2005 09:37 (UTC)

It works :-)))! Thanks. Gubbubu 6 July 2005 09:47 (UTC)

Wikisource conversion[edit]

Hi Angela!

The Mediawiki 1.5 upgrade is complete. Though work continues as usual here at wikisource, people here are also in somewhat of a limbo in terms of how and when pages will be moved to language wikis. (See comments at Scriptorium.)

There seems to be somewhat of a question as to whether import/export works in 1.5, whether it will work soon, etc. And whether or not wikis can/should be set up in some languages even if that feature isn't working yet (remember that some of the languages requested "raw copy").

It seems to me it would be a good idea if someone who has strong continual contact with the very busy developers could guide Wikisource along while these things are sorted out. Would you be willing to do something along those lines?

What I envision would be keeping Wikisource updated (best place would probably be at Scriptorium) with regard to the language conversion here. Things like: Technical limitations, which wikis can/should be set up and when, etc.

Is this OK? Dovi 6 July 2005 12:59 (UTC)

Nice timing... I was just about to write on the Scriptorium about this. Angela 6 July 13:02 2005

Links between wikis[edit]

Hi Angela. On the Scriptorium you brought up the point that before wikis can be set up, the criteria for setting up languages needs to be resolved. This is something that will probably be easy to decide, since all of the options are reasonable ones, and fairly close anyways.

However, there is also a technical issue that needs to be decided before wikis can be set up: The system for links between languages and projects. Wikisource people have discussed this pretty thoroughly among ourselves at Language domain requests. But there was never any feedback from the developers, and they are the only ones who can say whether the conclusion there is something that could actually work. Would it be possible to check this out? Dovi 7 July 2005 08:26 (UTC)

I think it would be best to try and simplify that discussion a little bit and then put in a request for it at bugzilla:. Angela 7 July 2005 08:36 (UTC)
Pardon me for never having fully figured out how Bugzilla works, but is this question a bug? It's not like something is broken in the code... :-) Dovi 7 July 2005 08:46 (UTC)

bugzilla: is for feature requests/site requests as well as bugs.

I'm happy to report this at bugzilla, but I first want to check I understand what was agreed on.

These first 2 points seem fairly clear:

1) Add interlanguage links for Wikisource for the languages that exist so far (currently none - but add them as they get created). 2) Add a new interlanguage link (www) which points to the www version of Wikisource

I'm not sure which part of this point should be requested:

3) Add an interwiki (not interlanguage) shortcut of "s:" that points to Wikisource in the right language (s:foo from en should link to English Wikisource, s:foo from fr should link to French Wikisource). Or is this disputed? I saw somewhere "ens:", "des:", "hes:", etc. were suggested. I've no idea if that's possible. Is that definitely favorable to s:en: which is how such links usually work?

Finally, I don't fully understand what the problem with the Hebrew Wikisource links are, so this should be reported separately. Angela 7 July 2005 16:50 (UTC)


Clarification on links between wikis[edit]

Hi! I reported it at bugzilla like you recommended and noted this at Wikisource:Scriptorium#Links_between_projects_and_languages.

1. I think this is a misunderstanding: What is means is that language codes have to be changed, not added. Right now "fr:" points to French Wikipedia - this needs to be changed so that it and all language codes point to xx.wikisource.org (even if they don't exist), not to Wikipedias.

2. A completely new code (like "xx:" or "s:") needs to be created to link from en.wikisource or fr.wikisource to the current language-neutral wikisource.org.

3. What you say about "s:foo" is correct! There was never any dispute. The question is how to link from English Wikipedia to the original French Wikitext of "foo". Here we need the developers' input: Can we use "fr:s:foo" or "s:fr:foo"? If that doesn't work, then hard links "ens:", "des:", "hes:" could be used in a similar way to how ":wikisource:" and ":hewikisource:" currently work. But those codes are too cumbersome and they really need to be shortened (to "s", "hes", etc). (For that matter, it would be great if Commons was just plain ":c:")

4. In Hebrew Wikisource, language codes (en, fr) point to Wikipedias in those languages, which needs to be fixed as in #1. Project codes ("w", "b", "n") all point to English projects instead of to the Hebrew ones, which means there is no direct way to link to Hebrew Wikipedia. (And while I'm at it, the project namespace is still the English word "Wikisource", but that is a separate problem.)

I hope this makes things clearer. I'm sorry that this got so confusing. Dovi 7 July 2005 17:36 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Angela

subdomains[edit]

hi Angela. Brion said he will not create any new wiki unless requested by a board member. so, why don't you ask him to create the 15 wikisource subdomains that I requested on meta? it seems that you are the person most capable of unlocking the situation. ThomasV 08:17, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

I emailed Brion about this yesterday evening, so hopefully the new wikis will be available soon. Angela 04:20, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

many thanks. ThomasV 05:35, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Trivia[edit]

Angela, you wrote: "Walter was the first person to ask..." about separate language domains.

It was actually an anon at Meta on 13 January 2003.!

The link to Walter's question actually needs to be revised because the relevant page was deleted here... I actually think it should be undeleted and frozen for historical interest. Dovi 20:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)