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Contents 1 Notices 1.1 Wikisource project pages 1.2 Separate discussions 1.2.1 Logo 1.2.2 Languages 1.2.3 Archives 2 Your Scriptorium 2.1 Template:InterLingvLigoj 2.2 Page: namespace, status of pages 2.3 Copyright clarifications from Mike Godwin 2.4 linking to article from Wikipedia 2.5 Linking to specific language's main page from menu 2.6 DoubleWiki alignment and different header templates 2.7 Middle Dutch / Middel Neerlants 2.8 Template:InterLingvLigoj 2.9 Move of main wikisource 2.9.1 interwiki oldwikisource 2.10 import 2.11 Admin 2.12 Recover logo 2.13 Import 2

[edit] Notices

[edit] Wikisource project pages

• What is Wikisource?
• Wikisource and Wikibooks
• Votes
• Statistics
• Copyright
• Possible copyright violations
• Proposed deletions
• Cataloging
• Wikisource and Project Gutenberg
• Languages - see below

[edit] Separate discussions

Verschobene Diskussionen / Discussions déplacées / verschoven besprekingen / 移动的讨论 / Discussioni spostate

[edit] Logo

• Wikisource:Logo
• Wikisource:New_Wikisource_logo

[edit] Languages

• Language policy
• Language domain requests
• Language domain requests/Rules for voting
• List of Wikisource Languages (=Main Page)

The language domain vote (over now):

• New vote on language subdomains (vote has concluded)
• New discussion on language subdomains (vote has concluded)

[edit] Archives

Archive / 存檔 / Archivi (oldest first)

• m:Wikisource (Pre-launch discussions)
• November 2003 to January 2004
• Feb 2004 - Jun 2004
• Jul 2004 - Oct 2004
• Oct 2004 - Feb 2005
• Feb 2005 - Apr 2005
• Apr 2005 - Aug 2005
• Aug 2005 - Sep 2005 (through the move to language subdomains)
• Sep 2005 - Jan 2006 (months following the move language subdomains)
• Jan 2006 - Dec 2006
• Jan 2007 - Dec 2007

Note: all archives are made by copy&paste, so that the whole history is here.

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[edit] Your Scriptorium

[edit] Template:InterLingvLigoj

There are many "add language" requests in the discussion page of this protected template. Can an admin take a look please? Thanks, Malafaya 23:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Page: namespace, status of pages

I have made changes to the Proofreadpage software, that will allow users to visualize the status of all pages of a book, using colors, on the index page. A preview can be seen on fr:s:Livre:Jules Vallès - L'Enfant.djvu. This system works in combination with a new validation procedure, that is following the system used at de.ws. The new validation procedure requires that two different users proofread a page, and it is described here: fr:s:Aide:Qualité des pages. There are 4 levels: 'Not proofread' (the default), 'Problematic', 'Proofread', 'Validated'. The button corresponding to 'validated' will not show up if the page has not been previously marked as 'Proofread' by another user than the one doing the validation. (this works by storing the name of proofreaders in the template, as can be seen here). The former 'Incomplete' level has been dropped, because it is not useful when describing single pages.

This new system will soon be available in all subdomains. The names of the different quality levels can be modified by sysops using system messages. It will also be possible to disable the system if a subdomain does agree with the idea of double proofreading. Feedback is welcome.

ThomasV 17:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copyright clarifications from Mike Godwin

Two clarifications on copyright concerns have come down from the WMF counsel

1. Copyright regarding public speeches
2. Status of the "rule of the shorter term" in the US

Please spread this information to any subdomains which are confused on these issues.--BirgitteSB 19:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Anthere has made a clarification on it, see here 555 19:36, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] linking to article from Wikipedia

Hi, there

Linking to different Wikimedia-projects are easy enough when they have their own subdomain, but how should I, for instance, link to Wet op basiese diensvoorwaardes 75 van 1997 here, from the Afrikaans Wikipedia? (Other than using a complete url.) 217.149.199.35 11:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

with [[oldwikisource:Wet op basiese diensvoorwaardes 75 van 1997]] 201.93.196.132 12:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick reply (and the info of course!). Anrie 15:07, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Linking to specific language's main page from menu

Is it at all possible to have something similar to the Commons' MediaWiki:Welcome-url/af, that will, when a registered user has selected Afrikaans as his prefered language in the preferences section, the "Main page"-link in the right-hand menu (which then says "Tuisblad") will link to Main Page:Afrikaans? Also, is it required that this (Main Page:Afrikaans) is where the main page must be located? Why can't http://wikisource.org/wiki/Tuisblad be used?

Just some things I have been pondering... Anrie 13:07, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DoubleWiki alignment and different header templates

DoubleWiki matches paragraphs "assuming that both pages have the same structure (paragraphs and titles)". But a problem arises if the first item in that structure is a header template and the header templates in the two languages are of different types. (English, Portugese, Polish, et al. use one type of header; Latin, French, Italian, et al. use another; there may be others.)

It seems either DoubleWiki should handle this, or header templates should be standardized.

Some careful tweaks can work around the problem, but the tweaks are the kind whose purpose is not obvious. They could easily get blown away by a future editor.

See s:Novum Organum/Book I Click <=> to see a side-by-side Latin original. Now look at the wiki source for the English page. There is a blank line before the header template. Remove it and DoubleWiki's side-by-side paragraphing breaks. --Mccaskey 01:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I've run into this a few times, and there are a few options that have come to mind:

1. the header and all leading whitespace should be taken from the host wiki (i.e. en) and discarded from the "other wiki" (i.e. la)
2. like suggestion #1, new tags could be added to allow control over what wikitext is included in the side-by-side view
3. tags are added to allow the two sides to be synced. i.e. <sync name="para1"/> would be added to both en and la in the correct spot, and DoubleWiki resyncs the two at that location.

John Vandenberg 00:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm now putting

<div title="End of header" />

at the end of headers. It alone doesn't sync the header but does sync everything below it. I then put

&nbsp;<!-- For DoubleWiki syncing. -->

at the top of the en pages. It's a hack, but it works and adding the comments will probably keep someone from removing the hackware. --Mccaskey 23:51, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

If this works reliably, that voodoo could/should be added at the bottom of the header templates on all languages. John Vandenberg 07:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree that this extension is too sensitive to document structure

the markers it uses should be more explicit

i don't have much time to fix it at the moment, but if someone comes with a sensible solution, let him go ahead

ThomasV 09:34, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Middle Dutch / Middel Neerlants

Just a thought. The Middle Dutch section is just small, and since the Dutch Wikisource has quite a few Middle Dutch sources, wouldn't be more efficient integrating the Middle Dutch section into the Dutch Wikisource? Middel Dutch was a form of Dutch spoken in the Middle Ages.
Bye bye, JosN 19:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template:InterLingvLigoj

There are many "add language" requests in the discussion page of this protected template. Can an admin take a look please? Thanks, 87.14.59.4 15:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Done, --LadyInGrey 22:12, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Move of main wikisource

It has come to my attention that wikisource is the only wiki that has an actual wiki on the main page. Other wikis use a portal:

• http://www.wikipedia.org
• http://www.wikinews.org
• http://www.wikibooks.org
• http://www.wikiquote.org
• http://www.wiktionary.org
• http://www.wikiversity.org

Wikisource is using the main domain like an incubator, which is perfectly fine and this request is not conflicting this.

What I propose is that wikisource.org be moved to beta.wikisource.org or multiligual.wikisource.org or (type something here).wikisource.org and wikisource.org itself becomes a portal like every other wiki.

http://www.wikiversity.org also has an incubator and its http://beta.wikiversity.org

I hope this makes sense.

-- Cat ^chi? 00:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

"beta" is definitely not the right name. "mul" for multilingual would be acceptable. see meta:Requests for new languages/Wikibooks Multilingual. John Vandenberg 00:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Thats fine. mul.wikisource.org makes more sense than beta. -- Cat ^chi? 00:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The question is not whether having an actual wiki for the portal is like the other projects (it is not) but rather whether its functionality is better or worse. I think the history since 2005 shows that having the portal as a wiki-page at a live wiki has served it well, and it is better maintained, more aesthetic, more up-to-date and more useful than are the portals for the other projects.

Being identical to the other portals is less important than simply being well-done, which the other portals are not. The other generic portals show only the top-ten languages prior to the seachbar, ours shows all of them in an organized fashion, even those without their own domain. Ours provides links to information about the project and all of its various languages. (Ours does not currently provide the "search" bar, but it is not clear how useful this really is, plus it compounds the language problem by providing the word "search" only in the largest languages.)

As for putting it into a domain, there is a certain logic to that, though to my mind it isn't crucial one way or the other. It seems that "mul.wikisource.org" could work, or perhaps another code, if anyone thinks of something better. It might even help with interwiki links to this wiki. The only crucial thing is to make sure that the ":oldwikisource:" link to here still works, as it has already been used in thousands of places.

Another idea that just occurred to me is that even if a static portal were set to "wikisource.org" it could be mirrored anyway at the main page of this wiki. Furthermore, perhaps "wikisource.org" (non-wiki page) could mirror the code here, and then you have the best of all worlds: (1) "wikisource.org" matches the other projects; (2) the main-page portal is still maintained in live wiki fashion at a live Wikisource wiki; (3) the main multilingual page remains truly multilingual (as opposed to beta.wikiversity.org, for instance, which is in English). Dovi 09:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The way things are at Wikisource has worked well for several years. This seems to be a good place to invoke, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Uniformity with other sister projects is not essential for this. Eclecticology 19:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

That's totally fine with me too. I was just mulling over the ideas of the others. Dovi 04:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

It is broken though. :oldwikisource: is hard coded so it would work regardless. The main page would become your standard portal every other edition of wikimedia projects use. beta.wikiversity.org is a sub domain unlike www.wikiversity.org. I recently updated the www.wikinews.org template on meta. It is not something very hard to do.

The main page of mul.wikibooks.org could be the big ten of projects within mul.wikibooks.org in other word the largest 10 project in mul.wikibooks would be listed. Crossing the 100+ barrier would have more of a meaning.

-- Cat ^chi? 07:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

What meaning would that be? Eclecticology 08:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Dovi : (Ours does not currently provide the "search" bar, but it is not clear how useful this really is, plus it compounds the language problem by providing the word "search" only in the largest languages.). Why not an icon to indicate search ? An image wouldn't involve any language.- --Zephyrus 09:52, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree that recognizable icons would be a much nicer solution than multiple translations for numerous pages that are supposedly multilingual but are not really fully so. But since I'm not great with graphics I've never actually tried implementation. To Cat: As for "crossing barriers," it seems to me that the point of the current page is to encourage all languages by making them feel welcome, even those with low numbers or without a subdomain. And what exactly is broken?Dovi 20:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Technical query: If the other portals show templates found on meta, then could a wikisource.org portal show the code found on the main page here? Dovi 20:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

The image might be something like this.- --Zephyrus 12:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Is that how it's done on the other portals, with a static image? For some reason I thought that when the code for a portal is changed on Meta, its corresponding portal is updated automatically. Dovi 18:47, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if we change something, the change must be made on Meta. Do you wish that I do that ? Other people can do it far better than I; but I can do it if it is useful or necessary and if nobody else has time.- --Zephyrus 08:18, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with Dovi and Ec here: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Yann 09:49, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

I know this one: "Never change a running system", :-), -jkb- 11:27, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, if it is neither necessary nor useful I won't change anything :) - --Zephyrus 17:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] interwiki oldwikisource

Wikipedia, Wikinews, Wikibooks, Wikiquote, Wiktionary, Wikiversity were all started with separate language subdomains, but Wikisource was not. I came to Wikisource and became an admin here before voting for or against breaking language subdomains away. I did not vote while I was unsure of the impact of this site, but I adapted to the consensus including requesting Chinese Wikisource. Being consistent with these six Wiki projects is not the most important. As long as this site still runs well, I do not consider moving this main Wikisource site needed. However, I wonder if anyone can allow the display of interlanguage links on the navigation bar like on language subdomains.--Jusjih 03:03, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello,

Interwiki links do not work here like on subdomains. This is a bug since the creation of subdomains. Yann 21:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Note that they do work for beta.wikiverity.org. Has a bug ever been filed for this? Dovi 18:57, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it was mentioned to the developers, but I am sure that a bug was filled in Bugzilla. Yann 19:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I cannot find it. But I would strongly support a bug on this matter. -jkb- 20:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] import

Special:Import has a source "sa". Does anyone know off hand what "sa" is ? I have requested the ability to import from meta and commons. John Vandenberg 05:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

I can't find where the special page was edited, but there was some talk in the archives about importing from the Sanskrit Wikipedia. I suspect that this is an obsolete element, and can probably be removed. Eclecticology 20:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

As a Meta steward, I can tell that only Meta stewards may add or remove any Wikimedia users' importing rights. If you want to import from any Wiki sites, I would like to suggest using Wikisource:Administrators to request importing right here.--Jusjih 21:24, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

bugzilla:13377 was resolved, but the new transwiki sources were not added as far as I can see. I have reopened the bug.

I dont not understand how users' importing rights comes into this; Special:Import allows me to transwiki from other wikis, and Special:Log/import shows that I have been able to do this successfully already. see Special:ListGroupRights, which says that all admins here have transwiki capabilities.

The ability to import from "file" is a separate capability, and I guess it cant hurt to have admins able to do this. --John Vandenberg 23:08, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Admin

If I can help fighting vandals, I can be an admin here. I am one already on fr.wiksource and on wikilivres, so I know the tools.- --Zephyrus 20:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

you have been appointed as a sysop ThomasV 13:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, ThomasV. Thank you all.- --Zephyrus 15:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Recover logo

Hi, some years ago I have created a proposal of logo for Wikisource [1]. The logo has been deleted. It's possible to recover it to upload it in Commons? The link probably is: [2]. --Ilario 13:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Image:Wikisource logo ilario.png has been restored. Please leave a note here or on my talk when you have transferred it to commons. John Vandenberg 07:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Deleted again, it is OK, see User talk:Ilario + User talk:-jkb-#Thank you, -jkb- 08:02, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Once again, this request has been solved on 25th March by uploading it on commons on the same day, then I deleted the image here. But obviously Illario did asked more people to recover it without having given us a message that it is OK. So, do not recover the image here again. -jkb- 16:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, fine. Yann 06:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Import 2

I wonder if the transwiki import is in function. I tried to transwiki something from the cs.source and it did not succeed, I got the message Import failed: Could not open import file. I tried it with some more pages, different namespaces. The same. The transwiki import from en.source is OK. -jkb- 20:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I tried the transwiki with some other domains (de.source, sk.source ...), I have got the same problem. -jkb- 20:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)