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[edit] Bosnian Wikisource

On main page there is no Bosnian Wikisource. Please add it. (bs.wikisource.org)

done ThomasV 06:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Number of English pages

I don't think English Wikisource really has 30000+ pages. The number should be adjusted down because of all the soft redirects. According to s:en:Special:Mostlinkedcategories there are more than 4000 of them so the real number of pages is ca 27000. /82.212.68.183 22:22, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Almost all of the 3000 new texts on the English wikisource in the recent update of the Main page are soft redirects. In July more than 2800 soft redirects were created, so there are now 7000 of them. A more accurate text count on English Wikipedia is 26000+. /82.212.68.183 09:42, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Text

The text below the spanish option is blocking the wikisource logo in firefox 1.5.0.1. --This unsigned comment was added by the person known as "Mac Lover" on wikipedia.

nothing like that in Firefox 1.0.7 - so I cannot help, sorry, -jkb- 08:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Undertitel of germn WS

Please change the Undertitel of german Wikisource to Die freie Quellensammlung. We are not using the translation of the english word Library. Thanks --Finanzer 11:38, 2 October 2006 (UTC) (Bureaucrat on german wikisource)

Thanks for changing :-) --Finanzer 22:48, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How to add languages?

Our language (ru-sib:) has not subdomain, but it has sources. In Meta one sdvised me to post sources here. But how to add our language? --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 02:33, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Obviously you do not need to wait for an answer - you are making this right. You add pages in your language here as you do, and you should categorize all of them by an outstanding category, i.e. Category:Siberian. This is very important when you will move them to your own subdomain. You can make subcategories to Category:Siberian, too, if you wish, but you should avoid that they could be confused with similaqr ones in other languages; so the best way is to make something like SibLiterature, SibLaw, SibHistory etc., I did it in the old Czech part as well and it functions. -jkb- 08:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Words for Indic script on main page

For the link to telugu wikisource http://te.wikisource.org/ the text is తెలుగు. More over indic languages doesnot render properly in firefox browser when the text is justified. __Mpradeep 11:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiversity

The main page is missing a link to http://www.wikiversity.org 555 18:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Er... any Admin in the neighborhood?

Sorry to disturb, but am I the only one to read Vikiversity without doubleV? I suppose it's a typo. εΔω 13:39, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] missing publications

Dear collegues! We had four publication under http://wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Uwe_Kils/ which are now missing. Does anybody know how to find them? We put alot of work in creating them Uwe kils 12:04, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

they might be on en.ws.org ThomasV 14:16, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sanskrit article on wikisource(Hindi)

The Ramcharitmanas was not written in Hindi but in Sanskrit. So it should not be included here. However, there is a traslation of the content in hindi written by someone elsewhich can be included here.

If you mean the Ramacharitamanas by Tulsi Das, it most certainly was not written in Sanskrit but written in Avadhi, which is considered, variously, a dialect-precursor of Hindi or a language in its own right. For those who know modern Hindi, reading the Ramacharitamanas will be made easier but still would require learning the grammar and vocabulary of medieval Avadhi. Someone who knows only Hindi will not find Tulsi's work intelligible although many individual words will be recognizable. Nonetheless, it is NOT in Sanskrit Interlingua 13:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the information. It is tagged as Hindi now. For now, it doesn't matter much, but when a Hindi subdomain is created, contributors will have to decide if they include it or not. Regards, Yann 18:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re-arrange smaller wikis on Main Page Portal

I would like to take the links to smaller Wikisources (i.e. those not in the top ten arranged around the logo), which are currently listed under the title "All Languages", and put them into four sections as follows:

  • 1,000+ (more than 1000 pages)
  • 100+ (more than 100 pages)
  • <100 (less than 100 pages)
  • wikisource.org ("Main Pages" of local languages here at wikisource.org without subdomains)

At this point we have exactly 50 subdomains (if we don't count ang: which has been voted for deletion), and there should be no problem having them tastefully arranged according to size on the Main Page portal.

There also 40+ local Main Pages that would be listed in alphabetical order.

What do others think of this idea? Should I go ahead and do it? Dovi 06:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I support this, go ahead. -jkb- 08:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
I do not support this. I think it would make the page more complicated. ThomasV 13:16, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
First of all, the top of the page (the "top ten") would remain exactly as it is. But the "All Languages" now has very little value: Subdomains are mixed up with local ones, no size values are given... All it would mean is subdividing that list. Maybe I'll create an example to show what I mean. Dovi 14:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
all right, go ahread. but please try to keep it simple... ThomasV 12:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I think that it makes sense. --Benn Newman 15:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea. It would make the list of subdomains more useful for people, and would organize it similar to the organization of other projects.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 20:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Category

Why is this talk page in Category:Main Pages? I can't seem to find it anywhere in the edit code to remove it. Dovi 07:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

See your edit There also 40+ local [[Category:Main Pages|Main Pages]] that would, you will find it :-), -jkb- 08:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

ok I removed it. ThomasV 13:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks... Dovi 22:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Language organization

OK, all the languages are arranged now:

  • All subdomains are listed and grouped according to size; within each group they are in the alphabetical order of their language codes.
  • Local main pages are in their own group, listed in order of their language codes, as best I could determine those codes. Two local languages whose codes I could not figure out have been "commented out" in the wiki code for the template.

All of this is now found in Template:Wikisource languages, which is transcluded on the Main Page and has been protected. I also did a good deal of formatting, for the template and for how it is transcluded on the Main Page.

At the bottom of the Main Page, in template for sister projects, there is some kind of formatting problem which causes a dislocation at the bottom of the page. If anyone can figure out what causes it and fix it, that would be great.

Comments are of course welcome. Dovi 12:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Lara language does not have ISO 639-1 code. Its ISO 639-2 code has yet to be added.--Jusjih 09:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bottom of Main Page (formatting problem)

Does anyone else notice this problem too? Can anyone fix it? Dovi 18:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Ehm, I see it (Firefox), but I think I am not like to search the reasons today when one page needs 10 minutes to be shown :-), maybe tomorrow? -jkb- 18:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing it! Dovi 09:18, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missed

Hi, the update of layout on Main page missed to add the mk.wikisource.org. And consider using links like [[:s:xx:Local_main_page instead of the current xx.wikisource.org. Reason: the xx.wikisource.org links have the tag rel="nofollow" meaning to the search engine bots dont go to this page (see the HTML code). This tag isn't inserted in the [[:s:xx:Local_main_page schema (see the HTML of the star of this message :) ). 555 01:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

OK, added it. I missed it because for some reason it was missing in the list of Wikisources at Meta. Any others missing from that list?
I agree that code such as [[:s:mk:Local_main_page|Македонски]] is better all around, but it will take some time and work to convert them all. Want to help? Dovi 06:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
No, only this is missed (checked one-by-one) probably because is the most recent wikisource created. My next edit is a start of helping on it :) 555 20:13, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, all code format has been converted to [[:s:mk:Local_main_page|Македонски]]. Dovi 09:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Sisterprojects No Text - center

It would also be good to get the nine entries in this template to center properly; currently they appear towards the left. I suggest that the title "Wikimedia" also be within the template. Dovi 09:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] nl: 1000+

Hey guys, could someone please adapt the page, nl.ws has >1000 sources now :) Effeietsanders 16:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Min Dong

Please someone add the Séng-gĭng at the main page. 555 02:27, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed that too. But what we really need first is a Main Page for the language, not just a page for the bible translation. Dovi 19:38, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Romanian Wikisource

Hello. Please update the statistics for the Romanian Wikisource as it now has 5,000+ articles. Thank you. --Rebel2 03:10, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A little correction for Italiano

It would be great to have the word "pagine" instead of "articoli" on the main page. Greetings IPork 09:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

and now please can you correct "pagina" (singular) with "pagine" (plural)? :-) Thank you, --piero tasso 07:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pages, articles, or texts?

Just a small thought: We list the numbers of "pages" or "articles" in the ten largest languages on the Main Page, all around the iceberg logo.

Wouldn't "texts" make more sense than "pages" or "articles"? Dovi 08:10, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

I think the number of "pages" includes author pages and Wikisource: pages. --Phillip 05:38, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
it would be dishonest to claim as many texts as we have pages. note that there are great differences between subdomains, in the way pages are counted ThomasV 07:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, a page could be a poem, a newspaper article, a book's chapter, a legal document, so it is quite difficult to count how many documents or texts we have. Yann 18:35, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
I have heard that the Spanish Wikisource has counted 95 pages for one play : is it true ? --Zephyrus 22:51, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

All the above comments are of course correct, so I guess there really is no "best" term to use. Dovi 17:08, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Main Page"

How can we get rid of the words "Main Page" on the Main Page? See main pages of many other projects. Dovi 20:40, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, the easiest is probably to ask these projects how they did it. Yann 18:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Dovi: I don't think that we can, exactly. Since this URL is still an operational wiki (unlike the front pages of the other sister projects), we can't get a nice front page like, say, Wikipedia has.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 22:45, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

You know, on second thought, we might be able to do it using a CSS hack, kind of like the English WS's main page. Reading your comment again, I think that's sort of what you meant anyway, and not having a page like Wikipedia's or Wikibooks' main page.—Zhaladshar (Talk) 22:46, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, "CSS hack" is beyond my current technical comprehension. :-) If you know sort of how to do it, please describe. What I meant was simply that on the en.wikipedia Main Page (for instance) it doesn't say "Main Page." So there obviously is a way to do it. Dovi 17:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
OK, I asked there. Dovi 19:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

It would be great if someone who is tech-savvy could take a look at the edits I made (and reverted) to MediaWiki:Monobook.css and figure out what I did wrong. Dovi 02:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


done. ThomasV 14:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes on top ten

A fix on one misterious bug has changed substantially the list and positions of the most largest Wikisources (I've reported it as a bug at bugzilla:10649, but this is a fix to a previous bug). English, French and Spanish still are the top-three, but now German is the fourth, Chinese is the fifth, Italian the sixth, Portuguese the seventh and Thai the eighth. If anybody is interested I have a cached table from 19 July with the old values (at Meta is avaiable a cached copy from 12 July). 555 17:25, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Language Until 19 July[1] 20 July[2]
en 1º 1º
fr 2º 2º
es 3º 3º
zh 4º 5º
pt 5º 7º
de 6º 4º
pl 7º 10º
ru 8º 9º
it 9º 6º
ro 10º 12º
hr 11º 11º
th 16º 8º
  1. ↑ http://pt.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio:555/estat%C3%ADsticas&oldid=66434
  2. ↑ http://pt.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Usu%C3%A1rio:555/estat%C3%ADsticas&oldid=66519
Done. I need a translation of "The Free Library" and "pages" in Thai. Yann 18:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
You missed to update {{Wikisource languages}} ;) 555 01:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] English main page for non-English texts

Wikisource needs an English language portal dedicated to classic non-English texts. Say I need a quote from the Iliad, the Hebrew Bible, the Gilgamesh Epic or the Havamal, but I am not able to navigate my way through portal pages or categories in Ancient Greek, Hebrew, Akkadian or Old Norse (not to mention that there is probably no-one even inclined to design wikisource meta-pages in these languages). At present, ancient texts are very difficult to find. The Septuagint is kept at el:, the Hebrew Bible at he: and Vulgate at la:. This is not convenient. Dbachmann 09:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

for that you should navigate your way through the English author pages and then use interlanguage links ThomasV 14:24, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


Could you put Catalan in the +1000 group? 88.19.141.115 18:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian

Armenian category http://wikisource.org/wiki/Category:Armenian has 423 articles. Please move it to 100+ section

[edit] Catalan

Catalan wikisource has 1069 article. Please move it to +1000 section. --85.58.49.6 11:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Done, --LadyInGrey 23:21, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Red link

Someone has missed to run checkusage on Commons and generated a redlink instead of the Wikipedia logo. 555 18:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

thanks, --LadyInGrey 19:49, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Galician Wikisource

Galician Wikisource has reached 100 articles. Please, move it to +100 section. --88.7.226.122 03:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Done, --LadyInGrey 15:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] tcy - Tulu

add test Main Page:Tulu, please. code = tcy. local name=%252525E0%252525B2%252525A4%252525E0%252525B3%25252581%252525E0%252525B2%252525B2%252525E0%252525B3%25252581%2525252E

[edit] error:th

Hello, please change "ห้องสมุดเสร" to "ห้องสมุดเสรี", a native speaker brought it to my attention, many thanks in advance, best regards, --birdy (:> )=| 12:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Spacebirdy, I guess there is a problem. Does the change concern the link to the Main Page or the term in the second line??? (I think this is the request, but specify this pls). -jkb- 12:22, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi -jkb-, thanks for the fast answer, I could only find
ไทย
ห้องสมุดเสร
11,000+ pages
for the word "ห้องสมุดเสร", so yes, I think he meant the second line.
Best regards, --birdy (:> )=| 12:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
yeas, it seem to be, I make it, -jkb- 12:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
Dankeschön, --birdy (:> )=| 12:33, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Language News & Updates Link

This links shows to the old WikiSource:2007. Please fix to WikiSource:2008 . --kajk ✉ 12:28, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

thx, done -jkb- 12:34, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian Wikisource has more than 1000 articles.

Somebody, who can edit this page, please move the Hungarian (Magyar) Wikisource to the 1000+ articles group.

We have more than 1000 articles. H-Vergilius 11:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Another proof H-Vergilius 11:33, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

done -jkb- 13:14, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] error:th 2

I've found the following text :

ไทย
ห้องสมุดเสรี
11,000+ pages

The word "pages" should be change to "หน้า". Thank you. --125.24.36.144 06:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Corrected. --Dungodung 10:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


Could you please change from,

{{MainPageLang|[[:s:th:หน้าหลัก|ไทย]]|ห้องสมุดเสรี|11,000+ หน้า}}

to,

{{MainPageLang|[[:s:th:หน้าหลัก|ไทย]]|หอสมุดเสรี|11,000+ หน้า}}

The "ห้องสมุด" is too general, that may include books, or encyclopedia. "หอสมุด" sound more specific to the "source" library. --Ans 11:35, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, is this the final version? -jkb- 12:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why only 8 or 9 languages on front page (and what about Hebrew)

Why only 8 or 9 languages, when there are many more sites.

And what about the Hebrew wikiSource/wikiText ? Pashute 02:38, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, I didn't see that you can scroll down... But
a. Thats a major problem.
b. There's no list in English, so a "find" search on the page wont give a result.
Solution: ABOVE the line with 100,000 (which shows on the screen when page first loaded without scrolling)
have one line: "More languages... 100,000 and more 10,000 and more etc.,
and these links point down further on the same page.
Also have a "list of all languages in English" on the same page at the bottom. Pashute 02:47, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
That's a good idea. I'll put some internal links into the page. Languages are listed in English at a Meta page (see link at bottom). We try to keep this page as language-neutral as possible (though it cannot be completely so). Dovi 12:31, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Corrections

  • These language names should not have underscores replacing the space characters:
    • Bahasa Indonesia
    • Bahasa Melayu
    • Basa Sunda
    • Krèyol ayisyen
    • Runa Simi
  • Persian Wikisource (فارسی) has more than 10,000 pages.

Aviator 12:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

...and Bangla now has 1,000 pages (notification). Cbrown1023 talk 12:00, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
I've moved those two up on Template:Wikisource languages, however now we also need to consider adding Persian to the main round circle on the front page. I'm not sure what is involved for that. According to meta:Wikisource, Persian has caught up with Portuguese. We cant drop th or pl, as they are roughly equivalent, so I think we would need to squeeze 'fa' in somehow. John Vandenberg 07:10, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Javanese

Please add Basa Jawa/jv on this page. Thanks. Meursault2004 23:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Done. John Vandenberg 09:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Meursault2004 10:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Update page count for ru

Admins, please, update article count -- RU have more than 19 000 articles now! -- Sergey kudryavtsev 13:37, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Done, --LadyInGrey 18:00, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Russian subdomain outstrip Italian

Please, change position appropriately (see s:ru:Special:Statistics and s:it:Special:Statistics). -- Sergey kudryavtsev 13:49, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Russian subdomain reach 20 000 articles. Update main page, please. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 06:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

What is up! —unsigned comment by 72.224.250.216 (talk) .

[edit] Updating vs. protecting

I think it's not the best idea to have the main page and it's templates with lists fully protected when nobody apparently takes care about its updating. Eg. the list bellow the "top-ten circle" is way so outdated. I'd suggest to semi-protect at least that list (Template:Wikisource languages). I also wanted to tweak the code of Template:Sisterprojects No Text and couldn't as well. :-/ I'd like to update both templates, so do you think you could just semi-protect them, please? Thanks.
— Danny B. 11:57, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done John Vandenberg 12:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimedia links

The links to other wikimedia projects should direct to the general pages, and not to the english page. For example : to http://www.wikipedia.org/ and not to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page. 67.159.45.24 17:48, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Fixed.
— Danny B. 22:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Changing the main page

Should we change our main page, like Wikipedia did ? There is a discussion about it on the mailing list. I think there are two possibilities : order the wikisources considering the activity, as Wikipedia made (http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikisource/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm) or, maybe better for a "library", considering the "number of words" (http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikisource/EN/TablesDatabaseWords.htm).

Number of words would be :

1. EN : 235 M
2. FR : 142 M
3. ES : 47 M
4. ZH : 37 M (but I don't think this is correct : how do the stats count "words" for Chinese Wikisource ? There is another method : 1737 [number of bytes per article]/3 [a Chinese word is 3 bytes] * 42000 [number of articles] = 24.3 M) 4. RU = 27 M
6. IT = about 22 M (there is a problem with them. The stats say there were 12000 articles on November 30, but it is wrong. There were surely 18000 or 19000 articles, like now -> so the number of 14.4 M words should be risen with its half to 22 M)
7. AR = 21.6 (good surprise, but is it correct ?)
8. PL = 18.7 M
9. DE = 18 M
10. PT = 16 M

I feel sorry for the Germans. The low number must be the result of the total use of the "Page mode". We should ask to some developpers if counting the number of words in, for example, the "Proofread pages", could be possible. This number of words could then be added to the number above... 67.159.45.24 (Syagrius on mailing list)

I do not think that the 'main page' should be considered as a 'hall of fame' ... (or it would be necessary to make some drastic changes to it). I rather see it as a set of links to subdomains. In order to make this set of links useful, it makes sense to display first the domains that are the most likely to be searched by the user. This is why, when I created this page, I displayed the 10 largest domains first. The other domains were sorted alphabetically.
Later, some users have started to rank by size all the other subdomains on this page (100000+, 10000+, 1000+, 100+ ...), which in my opinion is silly (there is not enough data for small domains, therefore sorting them by size does not reflect their activity) and useless (it makes it difficult for the user to find the language he's looking for). Sorting by size just conveys the feeling that this page is a 'hall of fame', which I do not like. Indeed, it created a tendency in some contributors to split works into very small chunks, in order to increase the ranking of their domain (like for instance on the spanish wikisource). I think this is harming wikisource, and I agree we would need to change this.
I do not think that counting the number of 'words' will be better than counting the number of 'pages'. If we want to better reflect activity, sorting domains by number of page views, as you propose, makes much more sense. I would also sort only the 10 most active domains, and leave the other domains sorted alphabetically, as they were initially.
ThomasV 11:05, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
You are right. Counting the number of words rather than the articles (Spanish wikisource creates small chunks, Chinese wikisource adds thousands of small taiwanese law articles...) would just move the problem for a moment : a bot could also add thousands of words. But it could be the only way now : I don't think that the "Visit count" is very trustable. The French wikisource is strangely above the English one, and the results change very much from one month to another. The number of words is not a so stupid 'hall of fame' for a library. Maybe one day we could add the number of words from the "Page Mode" (maybe, the once corrected pages) to this... 67.159.45.24 (Syagrius on mailing list)
No answer from other members. Shall we make a decision ? 67.159.45.24 13:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
I propose that we use activity. Using the number of words is as bad as what we do now. ThomasV 07:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Why not a simple alphabetical order? Wouldn't it be easier to find a domain? If people want halls of fame I'd rather provide a link to a hall of fame page showing pleasant (and funny) animations about not only one kind of results but lots of various figures and results. I don't think that this hall of fame page should be our main one, though. --Zyephyrus 08:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
All right with "activity". But will the english members agree to place the French Wikisource in first position ? Must we launch a vote ? 67.159.45.24
I do not think that fr.ws will be the most active every month. and we could also average on several months ThomasV 07:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok. So what do we do now ? 67.159.45.24
fr.ws is #1 in pages views again in january; perhaps it should be ranked first after all... ThomasV 15:17, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

I have no firm opinion about what the best way to measure these things is, whether the number of pages, words, or activity (changes on the wiki). Each of them has its advantages and disadvantages.

However, having the Main Page give the user a basic idea of how much content there is available at each wiki is, in my opinion, an important function. I do not see it as a "hall of fame" (though "hall of fame" doesn't bother me much either). Also, unlike Thomas' comments above, I see such a content-function for the Main Page as equally or even more important for smaller wikis. The data is easily available, and the page shouldn't reflect the content of just the largest wikis. Why is it "silly" to give an indication of how much content is available on a smaller wiki?

I do not think page-views is a reasonable measure, however. The potential readership of a wiki may have nothing at all to do with how much content it contains.

All in all, I would prefer sticking with number-of-pages for the simple reason that it is used on the Main Pages of other Wikimedia projects, and is also the simplest. Despite that fact that it certainly has its disadvantages. In Hebrew, for instance, we have a huge amount of text outside of the main namespace, so it isn't "counted." But no measure is perfect. Unlike Thomas, I see no evidence and hardly think that wikis multiply small pages just so that they can increase their rating. On the contrary, during the day-to-day operation of text editing on a wiki hardly anyone gives any thought to multi-lingual ranking. Dovi 06:11, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

ok, so let us keep the current system. Dovi, I think you should be officially responsible for updating the main page more often, because there are pending requests (see below), and you seem to be willing to do this job. ThomasV 08:35, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Thomas, I didn't mean to close the discussion, and if you thought I did then sorry. I said a had a preference for the current system (number of pages), but that is just a preference, and not a very strong one either. If other people feel strongly about another system I have no problem with that. Page-views I actually disagree with, because it has no relationship to content. But if people think otherwise and really want a usage-based method that is fine too.
Regarding upkeep, I don't think changing or not changing the system affects the frequency for which updates of the Main Page are needed. It is still needed every once in a while.
I see no reason to take "official" responsibility, but I'm glad to help out along with others as has always been the case. In fact, there are no pending requests at all below (all have already been previously dealt with). Remember that Template:Wikisource languages is only semi-protected. Dovi 11:57, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
Dovi, your speaking is wise : anyway, using the "page-views" is not meaningless : Wikipedia chose it, because some subdomains were overweighted. Some Wikisource subdomains have a lot of articles, but these articles are rather small, and they are creating more and more of such articles ; I won't tell you wich ones, but trust me they did. Using the global "number of words" could have been a solution, but it is complicated to count. The "page-views", with the new stats of January, seem now fully trustable. Enmerkar 21:15, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I never said page-views are meaningless! Actually I agree with you that they are very meaningful: They tell us how many people are using the wiki. That is very important, and it is why page-views are measured.

I think there are two different issues being discussed here. The first is are we ranking content or usage? If we are ranking usage, then obviously we should use page views. (By the way, are you sure about Wikipedia choosing page views for its Main Page?)

The second issue is that, if we are trying to show which Wikisources have significant content, then page views cannot be used. The reason is simple: On the one hand, some languages like English, French, Spanish have hundreds of millions of speakers. Thus, wikis in those languages would have huge numbers of page views even if there was relatively little content on a less active wiki. On the other hand, if you had a highly active wiki with lots of content in a small language (say less than ten million worldwide readers or less than a million), then that wiki could never receive a significant rank and even people who read the language wouldn't know from the Main Page that it is an active community with a useful resource.

That is why, personally, I favor ranking content. However, I admit that none of the ways to measure content is perfect. Also, this whole issue is not one of crucial importance to me, so if other people feel strongly otherwise I wouldn't object. I just wanted to add to the discussion of pluses and minuses. Dovi 19:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps I should restate what I said earlier, with differents words. I do not understand why you guys want to use the main page to rank subdomains. There are plenty of other pages for stats, where domains can be precisely measured and ranked. However, the main page is visited by people who discover Wikisource for the first time, and its purpose is to provide links to content in an easy-to-use way. I assume that a user visiting this page is looking for content in a specific language, and that he does not care whether the language in question is in the <100, the >100, the 1000+ or the 10.000+ category. So, this grouping of languages is not relevant for the user, it adds clutter, and it slows down his search; a reader needs to examine all the sublists in order to find the language he's looking for. I believe it would much more efficient to provide a single alphabetical list of all the languages we provide.
In addition, it makes sense to display first, around the logo, the 10 languages that are the most likely to be searched by the user, for both aesthetics and efficiency reasons. Therefore, in order to select these 10 languages, we should always keep in mind that we want to help visitors, and not rank ourselves. For this, we want to show the 10 languages that are the most likely to be searched by visitors. So, the debate should focus on the best way to select these 10 languages. I do not really know which method ('page views' or 'amount of content') is the best way to do this; but I insist that the clutter under the logo should be removed. we should display a single alphabetical list, with all languages (even those that are already around the logo).
ThomasV 17:44, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Thomas, the reason for "ranking" all of the languages is exactly the same as for arranging the top-ten languages around the icon: To give those who visit the Main Page a reasonable idea what Wikisource contains, both its general multilingual diversity and more specifically where it has grown and has content. That is exactly what it should be as a gate to Wikisource. We want to send this message even if someone is looking for a specific language.

All the portals of all the other multilingual projects share this basic approach, and I've never heard of anyone calling the smaller languages under their logos "clutter." Actually, I think the list under our logo looks a bit better than the similar Wikipedia version, but I guess that is a matter of taste.

I don't mind at all that "we want to show the 10 languages that are the most likely to be searched by visitors" around the logo, because that also helps send the general message of diversity and of what Wikisource has in its various languages. But I fail to see why doing a similar thing below for smaller languages is "clutter" (as opposed to an alphabetical list that is not).

Which criterion should be chosen for ranking is not something I feel strongly about. But that smaller languages should be listed without any gradation as to size/content/activity is not something I think is right. Nor do I think there is any issue of "efficiency"; there has never been any problem maintaining Template:Wikisource languages nor is there likely to be. I fail to see why the current list is "clutter" or why it bothers anyone for being there, regardless of which criterion is chosen. Dovi 14:42, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I think that we all agree : the "number of articles" is not the best way to estimate the content. The number of words would be a best way, but the figures are complicated to handle with, and it could also be ... by a bot-attack. The "Page views" is good : it shows activity and now seems accurate ; Wikipedia chose it. Thomas, can you change the Main Page now ? or should we organize a vote ? Enmerkar 20:24, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
I do not think I should modify the main page right now: there is no consensus, and the number of users who gave their opinion so far is probably fairly small, compared to the number of those who will complain if I change anything. Feel free to organize a vote, though. If there is a vote, it would be great if my other comment (about the fact that this page is unnecessarily complicated) would be taken into account. ThomasV 21:32, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Enmerkar, just to get the facts straight: Did Wikipedia actually choose page views? The wikipedia.org page seems to list the number of articles... Dovi 04:45, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Dovi, they chose it some months ago : Japanese is in second place (German used to be next to English and now is in third place), and Spanish is fourth above French...
Thomas, nobody gave their opinion here or elsewhere. How could we announce that there is an important discussion here ? Enmerkar 11:25, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
nobody is reading this page regularly; if you organize a vote, it should be properly advertised to subdomains. ThomasV 13:11, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Lithuanian Wikisource has more than 1000 articles

Somebody, who can edit this page, please move the Lithuanian (Lietuvių) Wikisource to the 1000+ articles group. --Redagavimas 07:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

According to [1] lt.wikisource has 306 articles only. --Milda 08:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian Wikisource has more than 10000 articles

Hi! The Hungarian (Magyar) Wikisource has reached the 10000 article. Please move it to the 10000+ group. Thanks a lot! :) Csega 14:40, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

See here. --Burumbátor 15:37, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
This was previously taken care of at Template:Wikisource languages, which is the proper place for such requests. Dovi 12:00, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Language News & Updates 2

It links to Wikisource:2008. It should like to Wikisource:2009. Could someone please fix this? --Ooswesthoesbes 17:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Done. Thanks! ---Zyephyrus 19:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Arabic Wikisource

As it now has more than 10,000 pages [2] can you update its position? --Obayd 15:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hungarian Wikisource on the Main Page

The inscription A szabad könyvtárában | 12,000+ lapok is linguistically incorrect. The first line should be written without the á in the word könyvtárban, and the lapok should be placed in singular, since the Hungarian uses singular forms after great numbers also. The correct form is this:

A szabad könyvtárban | 12 000-nél is több lap Bennó 16:14, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it is correctly: A szabad könyvtár | 12 000-nél is több lap. Without -ban (which means in). If we would like to follow the original form, the second sentence is: 12 000+ lap Samat 02:04, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Russian Wikisource reached 24 000

Russian Wikisource reached 24 000 articles. Update main page, please. -- Sergey kudryavtsev 09:09, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I will not do this, because there is an ongoing discussion. See Wikisource:Changing the main page ThomasV 09:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
The main page stats are out of date. I think they should be updated until a new approach is agreed. --Obayd 18:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Protection

As per above can Mainpage templates be semi-protected? --Obayd 22:58, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Latvian

Could Main Page:Latvian be linked from Main Page ? Some people suddenly have taken interest in "Latvian Wikisource" and I figure, if more are to come, it would be easier for them to find it that way ~~Xil 14:34, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

done, but I cannot find the code for Latvian - can you tell me?? -jkb- 16:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
lv ~~Xil 16:29, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
aha, thanks, done. -jkb- 16:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
oh, how do you say "Latvian" in Latvian?? I would like to change it on the mein page, -jkb- 16:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Great, thanks! It's Latviešu ~~Xil 17:30, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Fine, now the main page is OK. For you: enjoy the work here and many new pages wishes you -jkb- 17:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Azeri 1000

Azeri Wikisource 1000+ aricles

done, congrats, -jkb- 10:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Armenian Wikisource

Hello. Please update the statistics for the Armenian Wikisource as it now has 1,000+ articles. Thank you. Վազգեն 15:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

s:hy done, congrats, -jkb- 15:22, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Vietnamese Wikisource

Vietnamese Wikisource has reached 1000 texts, too.222.253.26.138 06:09, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Done on Template:Wikisource languages, congrats. --Milda 06:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Image code

We should use [[File:Wikisource.png|180px|Wikisource|link=Wikisource]] instead of the current imagemap. It makes the code prettier. Vinhtantran 11:21, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the note. Dovi 13:52, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Replace Polski with ar wikisource

Replace Polski with ar wikisource in {{TopTenCircle}} since it has more Pages (19,000)

Wikisource Arabic has now more ages than Polski Wikisource and should therefore be in the {{TopTenCircle}}.--Diaa abdelmoneim 12:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Remove ht: from the list

Template:Editprotected Krèyol ayisyen Wikisource has been locked from editing, so it should be removed from the list. Vinhtantran 19:01, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] link to he

should be "הספרייה החופשית", not "הספריה החופשית". דניאל ב. 16:42, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

The current one is a slightly more conservative spelling. Doesn't make any difference to me, but at Hebrew Wikisource it's currently spelled this way. Maybe ask there, and if people agree there we can change it here too. Dovi 20:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


[edit] interwiki

Could you please add a link to the Alemannic Wikisource: http://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text:Houptsyte. It's a separate namespace within the Alemannic Wikipedia, as all Alemannic projects have been merged. Today Alemanic Wikisource contains 142 articles. Thanks, --Holder 08:55, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

done -jkb- 11:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, --Holder 11:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
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